jdzx14
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posted April 10, 2007 03:42 PM
Straps or not?
Hey guys I am new to the site and to drag racing bikes, I am used to cars so bear with me. First off I recently traded my 06 636 in for a 07 black zx14. I have been reading the 14 diaries by Brocks, and I have so far lowered the rear with links, and lowered the front 1.25 inches by raising the forks. My question is in the diaries they use straps also, does this just stiffen the front to keep the front end from coming up, or does it just lower the front like raising the forks do? And also I am a 240 lb guy and have many friends that ride busa's so please help!!! Its like a battle royale every track day, my first one on the 14 is coming up soon, so any advice will be appriciated!!! Thanks!!!
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buddy
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posted April 10, 2007 04:01 PM
Go faster and quicker than the Busa, that's the main thing. 
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Xtremespeed
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posted April 10, 2007 04:10 PM
The strap will help keep the front down. Especially in the upper rpm's in 1st gear.
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Bently
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posted April 10, 2007 06:00 PM
I would say strap it as well. I have the the same set up as you and I still strap it, just don't wheelie and come down hard or you will be buying a new oil pan
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nightmare
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posted April 11, 2007 12:13 AM
Yeah I'm a living witness to the oil pan thing. I wish somebody would hurry up and make one. IMO, I think you should strap the bike as well. Believe me, it will come up in a heartbeat. as a matter of fact, if you don't watch it, it'll come up every gear even with the flies out. So strap it and ride that clutch man. I don't know if this will help but when I was stock wheelbase, I launched at about 2500. May help you and may not but it's just a suggestion.
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jdzx14
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posted April 11, 2007 01:35 AM
Thanks guys, I already have the straps, but I didn't relize I had to buy radial caliper mounts too, but I will order them.
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icetee
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posted April 12, 2007 08:05 AM
never track without a strap....it makes a big differance with the strap.....you will feel at ease wilth it.....kick much busa butt.......
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jdzx14
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posted April 13, 2007 12:58 PM
Well i ran it without straps in an 1/8 the best out of four passes was a 6.90 with a 1.83 60ft. I think I can do better,Is this a decent time for a 240lb rider with nothing but lowering links and 1.25in dropped in the front? What is the best rpm to leave at? What about tire pressure?, I am thinking about lowering it becasue it kept spinning every time I hit second! Sorry to thread jack!!! But I figure why not use one instead of 4!!
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Bently
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posted April 13, 2007 02:43 PM
Lowering it will most likely not help you traction issues try lowering the tire pressue next time. that should help. were you doing a anysort of burnout to get some heat in the tire?
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posted April 13, 2007 04:09 PM
240 pounds..Damn big guy.... Well i know what one 200 pounder is doing at stock wheel base >> 6.0s in the 1/8 mile.... You should be able to go 6.10s to 6.20s with some seat time .. There is a 350 pounder zx14 owner running 9.90s in the 1/4 mile ...Now that haulin some ass... 
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2togo
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posted April 13, 2007 05:10 PM
Smokin, what RPM are you leaving at? I am going to the track this summer as well.
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jdzx14
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posted April 13, 2007 05:31 PM
Thanks for the input guys, I am leaving at about 2700-3100rpm and I am not heating the tire at all, the tire doesn't spin off the line, it only spins when i hit second.
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posted April 13, 2007 06:02 PM
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Smokin, what RPM are you leaving at? I am going to the track this summer as well.
I leave at 5500 .. What is your set up? Wheel base? flys in or out? Piped and p/c ? Gears ? I can help but i need more info ... Smokin..
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smokinzx14
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posted April 13, 2007 06:05 PM
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Thanks for the input guys, I am leaving at about 2700-3100rpm and I am not heating the tire at all, the tire doesn't spin off the line, it only spins when i hit second.
Do a little burn out and try 28 psi if your are still spinning after a burn out .. With a small burn out i was able to run 34 to 36 psi in the stock tire ... If the track was bad i would sometimes have to lower it till it hooked.. But i never had to go below 28 psi ....Smokin..
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posted April 14, 2007 07:39 AM
Muzzy pipe, stock wheel base, flies in,stock gearing,pcIII, dyno mapped, I really just am courious to see what I can get this thing down the track at. I was a drag racer for 17 years, 4 wheels. Ran 8.80's all day long. But again that was with a door slammer not a bike.
I am 190 lbs. little better than average rider. But never been down the track on a bike with this much power. Really don't what to be the snapperhead that flips the bike over at the light. lol I do notice the bike is very light in the front end. So I do believe strapping is a must. Any input would be great!
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posted April 14, 2007 08:24 AM
Well I started off at 190 lbs(without leathers) with my 1/8th mile in the 6.60 range@117 with crappy 60 foots in the 1.8 range. This is on the middle setting(streetriding) of the lowering link with the front end dropped 1.25 inch, roaring toyz ext., and with a u/s shinko the front end would shoot for the sky trying to launch it above 5k. I have a muzzy pipe with p/c and 180whp/106ftlbs on 92 octane and the butterflies pulled out(that added one hp to the top end of the reve range, the low end is phenominal but if you sneeeze it wants to throw you off the bike now). So at the beginning of April I dropped it too the lowest setting on the link and went to the track and started running 1.65 60 foots and the best went to a 9.78@145.5. The strap really helped me to be more consistent off the line and my 60 foots dropped into 6.3 range. So with time and playing I've lobbed off a consistent .3 tenths. In the process of going to the lowest link I ate a hole in my rear fender and have the tiger tail from schnitz now but have not installed it yet. I'm hoping that coupled with my rear tire not slapping the fender through the shifts is worth .005 of a second. Smokin zx-14: I tried running 89 octane and the bike slowed down 3mph. I could have been the air changing DA but it did not have the net effect I was hopeing for. Driving style has been the biggest factor and the strap. When the front forks stretch off the line with the extra traction from a good tire I could hear them bottom out taking off(center of gravity going up). Something that helped my 60foots also was scooting my ass back on the seat(to the split on the seat). Hope it helps.
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jdzx14
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posted April 21, 2007 06:56 AM
Well I finally got straps, and let me tell you its definatley worth it! It dropped my 60ft time from 1.85-1.9 to 1.72-1.8 and thats just my second time at the track with the bike, I ran four times and this is the best time I could get, know remember I weigh about 260lb and the bike is completely stock other than lowered front and rear and strapped. 60ft-1.7542, ET-6.8025, 109.70 mph. I really want to get faster so I am going again sunday!! What is the best gas to use with these bikes without a power commander? And also will taking the air filter out help at all?
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posted April 21, 2007 07:24 AM
 Edited By: Xtremespeed on 21 Apr 2007 08:25
Some have seen great results with 89 octane. You'll have to try it an see if your bike will run with it. Some bikes don't seem to like it and need the 92 or 93. Taking the airfilter out may help slightly.
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posted April 21, 2007 09:22 AM
Edited By: tonytooth on 21 Apr 2007 10:28
All I ever run in my bike is 87 but now that I am going to spray it, I am using 93 to prevent detonation. I also removed my air filter and picked up 1 mile an hour at the track. BTW, I don't use the radial mounts because I like to keep my strap on all the time. With the brakcets the straps stick out to far and flap in the wind (when loose riding around town). This way they are tucked in tight (more hidden, people rarely see them) but you need to use a spacer on the lower caliper bolt to make it evenly spaced.
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posted April 21, 2007 09:26 AM
Edited By: tonytooth on 21 Apr 2007 10:27
Hidden from the front.
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sideways
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posted April 21, 2007 01:39 PM
Hey guys...while we are on the subject. I am strapped, linked(middle for street/bottom for track), etc. Just put on the extensions the other day. It seems that with the tire back further it applies more spring weight to the rear shock so the suspension is a little softer. Was just wondering if I should tighten up the rear shock a little. I dont want the tire rubbing underneith the seat there(like others have stated), also if I have a passenger. Did you guys with the extensions tighten up the rear shock at all? I bought the schnitz kit and it came with the 140 Pin EK530 DR Chain. It put the wheel all the way to the rear. I took out a link to move the tire forward a little so I think I am around 64" with room to adjust.
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tonytooth
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posted April 21, 2007 04:35 PM
My shock is almost all the way tight and I am not even stretched. Unless you are very light (130lb or less) I would recommend tightening it.
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sideways
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posted April 21, 2007 05:18 PM
well probably 165-170 without leathers, so 180-185 with all. So probably need to adjust, I remember reading suspension adjustment, so will try that with the rear shock. Thanks...
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jdzx14
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posted April 22, 2007 03:05 PM
Ran again today and I am getting better every time-- 1.7460ft, 6.64et, 109.8 mph!!! Woo Hoo!!! These straps are the best investment a drag racer can buy!!!!
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