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posted March 22, 2007 06:31 PM
Everyone allways stuck on this 600 stuff when theres only 3kg dry weight differance from a 600 to a 1000... SO think 600 with zx14 motor
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posted March 22, 2007 06:41 PM
A 600 my girl friend rides one of those. The 14 is a manly man bike it takes strength to handle it.
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posted March 22, 2007 06:42 PM
Agreed.... The 14 is not a track bike. I do not think the post started as a track bike inquiry.
The 14's handle OK for what they are. I have put to shame more than a few "kids" on their 600's in the Canyon lake run. But 30+ years of riding should be worth something. I am currently making an SV 650 into a track bike, it is way more fun when leaned over; the 14 is an attention getter at the exit.
Apples and Oranges guys. Don't compare Brunettes with Blondes if you taste runs to Redheads 
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posted March 22, 2007 06:46 PM
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A 600 my girl friend rides one of those. The 14 is a manly man bike it takes strength to handle it.
you must be a little dude... cause ive never used strenght... i just lay 150lbs to the right then to the left..leaving 100lbs to keep the rear tire down
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posted March 22, 2007 06:47 PM
Not the best for the twisty track . But the best for the 1/4 mile straight track stock to stock.
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posted March 22, 2007 06:49 PM
Not the best stock bike for the twistys. But the best stock for the 1/4 straight track.
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posted March 22, 2007 06:55 PM
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If I was a little dude I might have bought the 12. I like rapping of little bikes at 150 +
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posted March 22, 2007 07:01 PM
If I was a little dude I might have bought the 12.
now you lost me there... cause a zx12 fit is second to none for long legged big dude's
most little dudes couldn't touch ground at stock height
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posted March 22, 2007 07:08 PM
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Takes strength to hang on TO 175+ hp I rap of at high speed to let smaller bikes know I have a lot more to put out this usally gets them to back off.
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posted March 22, 2007 07:15 PM
to me it don't take no more effort to hang onto the zx14 as it did to the zx12 or zx10... but the zx10 wheelie factor will keep you alert
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posted March 22, 2007 07:48 PM
Bought my ZX12R in July 2000 and regretably had to sell it last year. It had Marvic Mag wheels, Ohlins rear shock, Brembo rotors/calipers/master cyl, Akra, PCIII etc etc etc. Bought ZX14 last June and love it. I'll try to maket it short but the 14 is a much more refined, polished and rideable bike. As the rest of the guys stated it depends on the rider and thus you really can get with the program on the 14 - even in the Canyons here in SoCal. The 12R while having more ground clearance had a tendancy to "fall" into the corners and not feel as neutral. Ultimately I could probably go a little faster through the tight stuff (not much though) but when things open up they are both super stable and allow you to go fast enough to require clean shorts!! The biggest difference between the 00 ZX12 R and the 14 is the fueling and the on/off throttle transition at the point mid corner when you need to pick up the throttle. I got my 12 pretty good after a long time mapping via "seat o'the pants" at low throttle positions but Kawasaki nailed it with the 14. It makes picking up the throttle mid corner a breeze - my 12R almost spit me of spinning up at 100+ when I picked up the throttle out of a turn one time, admittedly while the motor was spinning around 7500rpm where max torque in third gear.
I am sure the ZX14 with some love on the suspenders front and rear will please ya!!!
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posted March 22, 2007 11:26 PM
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I like that philosophy!
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posted March 22, 2007 11:47 PM
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I like that philosophy!
its philosphical but doesn't take a physics major or rocket scientist to figure out a lighter bike requires less braking distance and can curve better.
You "philosophers" must not ride but one bike to beleive this stuff
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posted March 22, 2007 11:52 PM
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Au contraire, the 14 ain't no great handler at all...just like a Busa. For aggressive riding/cornering, I'm with Stevewfl...my 10 is way more agile and surefooted in the corners...14 is nice and "cute" in corners, but is very limited in the twisties, seriously. I don't really agree with you on that
INTIMIDA2OR, I'm a seasoned rider with a lot of track time and there's no way you can compare a 14 to a super sport bike. The better riders won't do well on the big cushy bikes in corners, like a 14. They start getting downright scary when pushed hard. They're ok in the big wide sweepers, but not great by any means...IMO I don't have to rev my 10 to exit corners either...tons of power and TQ at 5K on that bike.
Fair enough .
But the dude said he's a big boy and was wondering if the 14 can handle... i couldn't let everyone tell him the 14 don't do twisties at all now could i?
Well maybe it don't handle , i dunno , never been on a road course, never will with the 14 anyways ...
I know my 1983 CB1100F handles the tight stuff far better than the 14 does . But then her suspension is not stock either.
When it comes down to it i get my Ya Ya's out far too easy i guess.
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posted March 23, 2007 04:12 AM
I've only been riding for bout 3 years. My first bike was an 01 ZX6R. I got where I could ride curves decent on that bike. I traded it in on my 07 ZX14. I feel more comfortable in the curves on it, I guess because where it's heavier and it feels more stable. I can tell you that I am faster in the curves on the 14 than the 6r. That might be because I was still learning on the 6r and now I'm getting better on the 14, but I did scrape my foot the other day in a curve on the 14. I never did that on the 6r and my 14 is at stock height
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posted March 23, 2007 06:17 AM
You "philosophers" must not ride but one bike to beleive this stuff
good luck steve
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posted March 23, 2007 07:36 AM
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Au contraire, the 14 ain't no great handler at all...just like a Busa. For aggressive riding/cornering, I'm with Stevewfl...my 10 is way more agile and surefooted in the corners...14 is nice and "cute" in corners, but is very limited in the twisties, seriously. I don't really agree with you on that
INTIMIDA2OR, I'm a seasoned rider with a lot of track time and there's no way you can compare a 14 to a super sport bike. The better riders won't do well on the big cushy bikes in corners, like a 14. They start getting downright scary when pushed hard. They're ok in the big wide sweepers, but not great by any means...IMO I don't have to rev my 10 to exit corners either...tons of power and TQ at 5K on that bike.
Fair enough .
But the dude said he's a big boy and was wondering if the 14 can handle... i couldn't let everyone tell him the 14 don't do twisties at all now could i?
Well maybe it don't handle , i dunno , never been on a road course, never will with the 14 anyways ...
I know my 1983 CB1100F handles the tight stuff far better than the 14 does . But then her suspension is not stock either.
When it comes down to it i get my Ya Ya's out far too easy i guess.
Crazy
naw man your right the 14 does coner well but implying any two bikes corner the same if the rider can ride was just off a tad - never take me serious anyway bro
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posted March 23, 2007 12:03 PM
Cant we all just corner along ?
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posted March 23, 2007 01:06 PM
Thanks for all the responses. Like I mentioned earlier, I'ma big boy (6'4" 320") and I like to get it over. I don't do a lot of TIGHT twisties (anymore - cause there are not many nearby), but WHENEVER presented with a curve/corner I like to lean it WAY over. My ride is never complete w/o doing so. So, my more direct question is, What am I gonna scrape on the 14 that I did not scrape on the 12? I thought I'd hear "the pipe" quite a bit, but that does not seem to be a concern. Sounds like if I stiffen things up a bit in the suspension (Tool Man) I may not lose a lot.
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posted March 23, 2007 05:30 PM
Edited By: Tool man on 23 Mar 2007 18:31
Here is Racetech's guide for the forks with us "big" guys in mind
06 Kawasaki ZX-14
Select Type of Riding:
Street
Racing
Enter Rider Weight (without gear): lbs OR kg.
Rider Weight: 320 lbs.
Recommended Spring Rate: 1.234 kg/mm (use closest available)
Stock Fork Spring Rate (measured): .900 kg/mm (stock)
Available FRSP S3825 Series Springs are:
Part Number Description Price Select to Buy
FRSP S3825120 RT FRK SPR 38.2x35x250 1.20 kg
Linky...http://www.racetech.com/evalving/english/Srchpr.asp?bikeid=271&manufacture=Kawasaki&model=ZX%2D14&year=06&TABLEINFO=street&langname=english
I will be setting up mine soon, I will get back with results
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posted March 23, 2007 06:33 PM
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posted March 23, 2007 07:09 PM
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posted July 16, 2008 09:12 PM
I owned an 03 zx12 (great handling bike for a sport touring bike) i put 30,000 miles on it . I dragged foot pegs in the mountains consistantly (GET LOW, GET LOW, GET LOW, GET LOW). I have noticed that a more rounded tire feels better..IE Metzlers....instead of Dunlops 208 which is more ovral shape, But the zx14 is a far better handling bike this glides through the curves, switch backs are more easier and the 14 feels lighter, I like country rodes(not the wide curves but the tight one and on the 12 I could do about 100mph and that was my limit but with the 14 I can do about 110mph because the bike drops in the curves so quick and smooth its less work. Now granted the zx12 I had was running 200 series tires and the zx14 is on 190's.
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posted July 17, 2008 10:37 AM
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Steve, I'll take you up on that contest between your track bike 600RR and my 14 in the braking department. You keep throwing that shit out there that you have to brake sooner on the 14 but you're wrong. Thats only becuase you are going so much faster on the 14 so of course you start braking sooner. You put a 14 side by side with your (or any) 600, and the 14 will beat it - as long as your front tire keeps traction. The extra length and lower center of gravity of the 14 enables it to apply the weight better to the forks, keeping it from endoing. Any of you guys live in the Seattle area and want to find out, bring your 600 or newer 1000 (same basic weight and ergo's nowadays) and I'll show you. If you manage to stop faster then I'll eat that crow right friggin here on this post. Challengers?
And I'll repost that pic of my stock tire, because YES you can easily run it to the edge. Not sure this is working, my firewall is blocking Facebook for some damn reason
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posted July 17, 2008 06:05 PM
like i said its all rider baby, oh yea
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