michaelball31
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posted March 09, 2007 06:25 PM
pointers on wheelies!!!
Alright all you wheelie junkies, Im used to going in a straight line! Ive been kind of wanting to ride wheelies, But I just cant figure it out. Everytime it seems I let off the gas to early and never get it up and stay up.Im sure it has to do with practice and all,but I was seeing if anyone can give out some advice.
  
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tonytooth
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posted March 09, 2007 06:48 PM
I have been practicing with my 14 lately. I stay sitting down just because it's the only way I know. I'll tell you one thing that has worked very well for me. I have the Quickshifter from Power Commander. I start the wheely in first gear at a decent RPM so the need to shift comes very fast. With this Quickshifter, I can just lift my foot and it shifts so fast there is no lag. I have wheelied from first through third gear. I have also found that you can stay in second for a long time if you get closer to the balance point. I prefer second gear because it's a comfortable speed. I am not a pro by any means, I just like to have fun.
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ninja14
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posted March 09, 2007 06:56 PM
With my 16/43 gearing I just crack the throttle in first at around 4000 about a qtr and it just comes up......then I keep the gas on until I want to come down. You will have to bring it up more than you think you need to in order to balance it. I just use the gas and never go far - so power wheelies work for me.
Beware......it is going to be really hard on the forks if you keep bringing it down hard.....
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Xtremespeed
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posted March 09, 2007 07:15 PM
 Edited By: Xtremespeed on 9 Mar 2007 19:16
Imo it's more difficult to learn at lower speeds. It may be easier
for you to learn in second gear. 30-35 mph or so. Also, you won't
have to worry about shifting right away, so you can concentrate on
the wheelie. Start out sitiing down, and ALWAYS cover the rear brake
with your foot. If it gets too high a tap on the rear brake will bring it
down. Sometimes abruptly, but better than looping it. If you are not too
heavy, you should be able to let off the throttle just long enough to let the
front end dive and then wack it. It should come on up. I think it's a little
easier with the clutch as you dont have to wack the throttle to get it to come
up, but it's harder on the bike. You can just rev the bike slightly and flick the
clutch, and it will come up without having to use a lot of throttle. It will take
some trial and error to find the rgiht speed and rpm where it comes up easy
and controllable. Start off just popping wheelies and work your way up to riding
them out. Once you start to ride them out, a light touch on the throttle is all it takes
to keep it there. Very slightly roll on and off the throttle to maintain balance. After
you have that down, you'll probably need to shift gears. I know people who use the
clutch to shift during a wheelie, but I can't, therefore I can't try to explain it. I just shift
by preloading the shifter, and then when I let off slightly to maintain my balance the
bike shifts, and then I get right back on the throttle. You'll have to see what works best
for you. Just take your time. Don't practice with someone around who will ag you on or
make you try harder. Learn at your own pace. With lot's of practice it will become second
nature. Good luck.
Did I mention wheelies are dangerous, illegal, and should never be performed outside of
a controlled environment. Never ride wheelies. This is for informational purposes only .This is my disclaimer. Lol!
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posted March 09, 2007 07:44 PM
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ninja14
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posted March 09, 2007 07:54 PM
^.....3 wheels up :-)
I never do it w/ the clutch - just whack it anywhere in first or w/ higher RPM's in second.......just works better for me....
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tonytooth
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posted March 09, 2007 07:56 PM
3 wheel motion
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posted March 09, 2007 08:06 PM
Get a 10R! Mine power wheelies in the top of 3rd at whatever speed that is. WAY WAY over a 100. From there just shift it on thru 4th and 5th. By then you're usually going at some crazy speed and had your thrill.
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blackbullet76
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posted March 09, 2007 10:05 PM
Do like I did with my first wheelie on my 14. Just top a hill in thid gear and give it twist. Mine came right up. I've done it like 3 times since, but I get scared and let out of it.
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nightmare
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posted March 09, 2007 10:15 PM
I like to run up to about 50 and just jump off the clutch. But I am a stand up type of guy!
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Xtremespeed
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posted March 10, 2007 08:20 AM
I wish I could do that. I've always wanted to learn to stand up. I'm pretty good sitting,
but it feels strange standing up. I have heard it is actually easier standing up. Any
pointers for that?
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tonytooth
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posted March 10, 2007 09:57 AM
+1
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ninja14
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posted March 10, 2007 10:01 AM
When I first tried it I would have my feet off the pegs and the bike would come up a little easier due to the shift of weight more to the rear. Now that I am used to it I keep on the pegs.....
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twista
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posted March 10, 2007 10:18 AM
Edited By: twista on 10 Mar 2007 10:32
ride everywhere until it is second nature without the clutch!!! this is how i was taught back in the day,, and how i taught my brother on his 12r,, he tried what felt comfortable to him,., but in the end it was the clutchless shifting that IS second nature that allows multiple gear wheelies,, powering it up in first is easy,, once its up,, thats where the clutchless shifting comes into play,, its second nature and one less thing to concentrate on,, covering the rear brake take discipline also,, that is actually more demanding then the balancing act itself!
first gear wheelies on a stock geared 12 are radical,, they need more low end wwhich aids in holding it up and better respose as you get into the higher gears,, anyone agree,, ? the bike comes up abruptly with a power wheelie and winds till about 70 mph and thta is alot to work when you get there so quick,, its like your airborn and immediatly have to slam second,, so if shifting clutchless is natural,, your in second in a second or two and on your way to high speed multiple gear wheelies,, thats about the best i can explain it...
NO CLUTCH EVERYWHERE YOU GO UNTIL ITS EMBEDDED IN YOUR MIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One day when i transfer this VHS video i will post me on my 630 lbs. CBX going thru 4 gears back in 1981 then you will see what i mean...
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michaelball31
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posted March 10, 2007 01:44 PM
Thanks guys, So how can you tell when the bike is coming up to far.I mean how can you tell the balance point.Or is that something that you will feel when it goes to that point.Thats where I mess up, I feel like Im going to bring it up to far and flip over
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posted March 10, 2007 02:09 PM
Edited By: Tool man on 10 Mar 2007 14:11
Cover the rear brake. Practice on a 4 stroke dirtbike, I taught myself on an Xr250 in about a weekend.... 25 years ago.. I only have flipped 2 wheelies !!! both in the dirt and BEFORE I started using the rear brake. The stunt kids can touch a taillight or back bar then bring it back again. Oh... to be a kid again 
see articlehttp://www.superstreetbike.com/stunt_howto/030_0312_how_wheelie_trick_street_bike/
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posted March 10, 2007 02:30 PM
i just gas it and whoaaaaa.2nd gear 3rd gear go for long time gi
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posted March 10, 2007 03:16 PM
I feel that the momentum as you have forward progress keeps you at a point far less than vertical,, if you get to a point to where you cant see over the front of the bike you are too far and letting off the gas will bring it down,, just practice getting the bike up ,, you will get a feel for it,, its not about balancing the bike,, it does it on its own,, administering the power to keep it up is the trick and it will be slightly harder for a stock geared bike versus one that is a little lower geared,, a lower geared bike will allow more control in recapturing the wheelie from coming down on you,, hope that helps a little bit...
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michaelball31
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posted March 10, 2007 03:19 PM
yes it does thanks.one of these days I will cruise around on one wheel.that is until I get caught
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