posted December 04, 2006 03:48 AM
zx14 power disapoints I recently bought a ZX14 here in Australia. I rode a 2006 ZX12 and a ZX14 back to back for comparison. Clearly the 14 was better in all aspects of riding including power and torque ect.
I put 3000 kilometers on my new maching which runs very smooth etc but I can honestly say that the engine performance is a bit of a let down, particularly under 6000 rpm.
I do a bit of drag racing and I'm not an expert rider by any means but I have put down reasonable times on a cross section of street and race bikes.
I have run low eights @ 160mph on a competition machine.
I found my completely stock ZX14 particularly difficult to launch and the 60 foot times were terrible (1.95 seconds). However the machine never ran over 135 mph all day.
I would have expected a bit more mph than that. My first trip to the strip on my completely stock 2000 ZX12R was 10.3 @ 138 mph a few years ago.
The lack of low end torque is astonishing for a 1352cc motor. I have read every post on ZX14.com and I am well aware of what has to be done. It is going to cost quite a bit of money to get the real power out of the machine.
I am convinced that my ZX12R was a quicker bike so I am a bit crapped off that the latest and greatest from Kawasaki runs in such a lazy fashion. Possibly my machine has a problem bit it runs well enough.
Any feed back would be apprediated.
Unless you enjoy launching at 7000rpm the first thing you need to do is remove the secondary butterflies, fit a Power Commander and re-map the fuel injection. That should remove the hole Kawasaki intentionally put in the power curve and show you the engine's real potential.
This forum is full of other information for improving your bike's performance even more, depending on your requirements and budget.
Bob.
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posted December 04, 2006 05:01 AM
Its you its not the bike. I ran 10 flat on mine stock, and i cant even ride good. But if you do the usual mods youll unleash the beast. Im at 9.40s now. And i wiegh 215. I thought the same thing when i had mine stock, but when i went and put it upside other bikes i was amazed how id pull away. good luck.
posted December 04, 2006 06:08 AM
I've always wanted to blame my bike, but I'm what holds my 14 back. Prove it to yourself by asking a veteran racer to make a pass on your bike. Once you see that it's you, then you can embrace the process of learning to drive the 14 quicker. Oh, and stop launching like a pussie--rev that bitch up and throw away the clutch.
quote:I recently bought a ZX14 here in Australia. I rode a 2006 ZX12 and a ZX14 back to back for comparison. Clearly the 14 was better in all aspects of riding including power and torque ect.
I put 3000 kilometers on my new maching which runs very smooth etc but I can honestly say that the engine performance is a bit of a let down, particularly under 6000 rpm.
I do a bit of drag racing and I'm not an expert rider by any means but I have put down reasonable times on a cross section of street and race bikes.
I have run low eights @ 160mph on a competition machine.
I found my completely stock ZX14 particularly difficult to launch and the 60 foot times were terrible (1.95 seconds). However the machine never ran over 135 mph all day.
I would have expected a bit more mph than that. My first trip to the strip on my completely stock 2000 ZX12R was 10.3 @ 138 mph a few years ago.
The lack of low end torque is astonishing for a 1352cc motor. I have read every post on ZX14.com and I am well aware of what has to be done. It is going to cost quite a bit of money to get the real power out of the machine.
I am convinced that my ZX12R was a quicker bike so I am a bit crapped off that the latest and greatest from Kawasaki runs in such a lazy fashion. Possibly my machine has a problem bit it runs well enough.
Any feed back would be apprediated.
Well let me start off by saying welcome to Bikeland ....Now i must say it's all YOU and NOT the bike .......My flys are in place and at stock wheel base i have cut 1.52 60 foot times....I leave below 5500 rpms and have NO problems with low end power, in fact it has more power than i can use....So go back to the track and get some more seat time ...Smokin..
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posted December 04, 2006 07:08 AM
lol...
having the same problem with a set of nike golf clubs i bought last year...damn things won't hit the ball far and straight no matter what i try.... i must say that i am very disappointed in these clubs...
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The lack of low end torque is astonishing for a 1352cc motor. I have read every post on ZX14.com and I am well aware of what has to be done. It is going to cost quite a bit of money to get the real power out of the machine.
I am convinced that my ZX12R was a quicker bike so I am a bit crapped off that the latest and greatest from Kawasaki runs in such a lazy fashion. Possibly my machine has a problem bit it runs well enough.
Any feed back would be apprediated.
I think you are nuts, This bike is so fast it pins the edges of my mouth to my ears in a wide smile. Even with the flys in this bike pulls harder than any bike I have ever ridden.
And for costing a lot of money to get the real power out of it, I can't even understand that statement.
It has been said over and over that Kawasaki put a second set of flys in the throttle bodys that are computer controlled to make the bike more doscile down low. I removed them and I can pick the front end up at will. How much power do you need? That mod is free!
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quote:I recently bought a ZX14 here in Australia. I rode a 2006 ZX12 and a ZX14 back to back for comparison. Clearly the 14 was better in all aspects of riding including power and torque ect.
I put 3000 kilometers on my new maching which runs very smooth etc but I can honestly say that the engine performance is a bit of a let down, particularly under 6000 rpm.
I do a bit of drag racing and I'm not an expert rider by any means but I have put down reasonable times on a cross section of street and race bikes.
I have run low eights @ 160mph on a competition machine.
I found my completely stock ZX14 particularly difficult to launch and the 60 foot times were terrible (1.95 seconds). However the machine never ran over 135 mph all day.
I would have expected a bit more mph than that. My first trip to the strip on my completely stock 2000 ZX12R was 10.3 @ 138 mph a few years ago.
The lack of low end torque is astonishing for a 1352cc motor. I have read every post on ZX14.com and I am well aware of what has to be done. It is going to cost quite a bit of money to get the real power out of the machine.
I am convinced that my ZX12R was a quicker bike so I am a bit crapped off that the latest and greatest from Kawasaki runs in such a lazy fashion. Possibly my machine has a problem bit it runs well enough.
Any feed back would be apprediated.
Sorry for being so blunt, but what you typed is either a joke, or you haven't ridden much. You say you've read every post and know what to do, but at the same time you're complaining about cost to fix the below 6K grunt? It's a free fix - pull the flies! Maybe you got a lemon...lmao...
posted December 04, 2006 09:50 AM
Edited By: Denver zx 14 on 4 Dec 2006 09:54
Elevations in Australia range from -52' to 7310' above sea level. What is the elevation of the track where you run? Living here in Denver, I know how altitude can kill hp. Also what is your riding weight?
posted December 04, 2006 10:07 AM
HAHAHA This Jackass sounds like a troll to me. Probably another disgruntled Busaloser that just can't stand the fact that he has had his sorry ass handed to him on a plate by many 12's and now the 14. I get real tired of hearing all the shite from these clowns.
posted December 04, 2006 10:49 AM
I'd trade it in for a Huyabusa. I hear they're the fastest bikes around.
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quote:lol...
having the same problem with a set of nike golf clubs i bought last year...damn things won't hit the ball far and straight no matter what i try.... i must say that i am very disappointed in these clubs...
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posted December 04, 2006 02:07 PM
Smokin im sure hes not 130 lbs like You. 1.50s are unbelievable. But 1.95 greg? I can cut a better 60 on my 2000 zx7stock bike . Get back 2 the track and practice.
Please be careful if you decide to pull the secondaries, this sounds simple and really is but if you drop one of those tiny screws it can get ugly quick. I will say I can agree to an extent, my 2000 12 did feel faster and it did 60' better. That is not really the key with this bike, I would suggest looking at the 330' time. You can have a great 60' with this bike and throw the run to the wind by standing it up from leaving to hard. This bike behaves like no other I have ridden but after you get used to it I am sure you will like it. Seat time cures a lot of evils.
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posted December 04, 2006 04:55 PM
quote:This Jackass sounds like a troll to me.
Bigbore4 - I don't think anyone would argue with your right to disagree with his post, but this isn't the right forum to use those kind of names. I'd like to be able to keep this thread in this forum, because it has the potential to contain some useful info for folks. That kind of bashing will quickly get it sent elsewhere. Thanks for reading this and please don't take offense, just a word of advice.
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quote:Smokin im sure hes not 130 lbs like You. 1.50s are unbelievable. But 1.95 greg? I can cut a better 60 on my 2000 zx7stock bike . Get back 2 the track and practice.
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Gen 2 ZX14R Best ET 8.43 , Best MPH 164.95
quote:This Jackass sounds like a troll to me. Probably another disgruntled Busaloser that just can't stand the fact that he has had his sorry ass handed to him on a plate by many 12's and now the 14. I get real tired of hearing all the shite from these clowns.
Comeon over to the SmackHouse...You can do all the bashing you want
posted December 05, 2006 12:52 AM
Edited By: sands on 5 Dec 2006 00:53
quote: I have read every post on ZX14.com and I am well aware of what has to be done. It is going to cost quite a bit of money to get the real power out of the machine.
Are you sure you read every post ? You can't possibly know what needs to be done and then say "it is going to cost quite a bit of money"....
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posted December 05, 2006 03:15 AM
Edited By: Cheyenne on 5 Dec 2006 03:17
quote:
quote:I recently bought a ZX14 here in Australia. I rode a 2006 ZX12 and a ZX14 back to back for comparison. Clearly the 14 was better in all aspects of riding including power and torque ect.
I put 3000 kilometers on my new maching which runs very smooth etc but I can honestly say that the engine performance is a bit of a let down, particularly under 6000 rpm.
I do a bit of drag racing and I'm not an expert rider by any means but I have put down reasonable times on a cross section of street and race bikes.
I have run low eights @ 160mph on a competition machine.
I found my completely stock ZX14 particularly difficult to launch and the 60 foot times were terrible (1.95 seconds). However the machine never ran over 135 mph all day.
I would have expected a bit more mph than that. My first trip to the strip on my completely stock 2000 ZX12R was 10.3 @ 138 mph a few years ago.
The lack of low end torque is astonishing for a 1352cc motor. I have read every post on ZX14.com and I am well aware of what has to be done. It is going to cost quite a bit of money to get the real power out of the machine.
I am convinced that my ZX12R was a quicker bike so I am a bit crapped off that the latest and greatest from Kawasaki runs in such a lazy fashion. Possibly my machine has a problem bit it runs well enough.
Any feed back would be apprediated.
Sorry for being so blunt, but what you typed is either a joke, or you haven't ridden much. You say you've read every post and know what to do, but at the same time you're complaining about cost to fix the below 6K grunt? It's a free fix - pull the flies! Maybe you got a lemon...lmao...
Goodday Mate
I have the same problem. I don't do a lot of drag racing. We do have Night Drag Wars here in summer(Run what you brung) Since I started competing(3 years)in this races I have had two Busas and a GSXR 1000 K3 and to be honest I ran much better times with all three of the bikes than what I have been able to run with my Zx14. Even in the tight twisties I am much faster with the Busa than I am with the 14.
Removing the flies is not "free" hp as it seriously leans out your A/F mixture so you really have to fit a PC3 to cure this.(www.ivansperformanceproducts.com has a good deal at the moment)
The 14 is a magic bike, super fast when you have the revs up, super smooth and I love it but it is not the Busa beater, super stock drag bike the advertising made it out to be.
Maybe the "pro's" like most of the guys on this site can do better but for the average guy on the street it is not as easy to drag as they said it the Kawasaki launch video.
So dont let it get to you, like they say seat time will let get quicker but to run fast times you will have to lower it, change sprockets etc.
My 2cents.
quote:I recently bought a ZX14 here in Australia. I rode a 2006 ZX12 and a ZX14 back to back for comparison. Clearly the 14 was better in all aspects of riding including power and torque ect.
I put 3000 kilometers on my new maching which runs very smooth etc but I can honestly say that the engine performance is a bit of a let down, particularly under 6000 rpm.
I do a bit of drag racing and I'm not an expert rider by any means but I have put down reasonable times on a cross section of street and race bikes.
I have run low eights @ 160mph on a competition machine.
I found my completely stock ZX14 particularly difficult to launch and the 60 foot times were terrible (1.95 seconds). However the machine never ran over 135 mph all day.
I would have expected a bit more mph than that. My first trip to the strip on my completely stock 2000 ZX12R was 10.3 @ 138 mph a few years ago.
The lack of low end torque is astonishing for a 1352cc motor. I have read every post on ZX14.com and I am well aware of what has to be done. It is going to cost quite a bit of money to get the real power out of the machine.
I am convinced that my ZX12R was a quicker bike so I am a bit crapped off that the latest and greatest from Kawasaki runs in such a lazy fashion. Possibly my machine has a problem bit it runs well enough.
Any feed back would be apprediated.
Sorry for being so blunt, but what you typed is either a joke, or you haven't ridden much. You say you've read every post and know what to do, but at the same time you're complaining about cost to fix the below 6K grunt? It's a free fix - pull the flies! Maybe you got a lemon...lmao...
Goodday Mate
I have the same problem. I don't do a lot of drag racing. We do have Night Drag Wars here in summer(Run what you brung) Since I started competing(3 years)in this races I have had two Busas and a GSXR 1000 K3 and to be honest I ran much better times with all three of the bikes than what I have been able to run with my Zx14. Even in the tight twisties I am much faster with the Busa than I am with the 14.
Removing the flies is not "free" hp as it seriously leans out your A/F mixture so you really have to fit a PC3 to cure this.(www.ivansperformanceproducts.com has a good deal at the moment)
The 14 is a magic bike, super fast when you have the revs up, super smooth and I love it but it is not the Busa beater, super stock drag bike the advertising made it out to be.
Maybe the "pro's" like most of the guys on this site can do better but for the average guy on the street it is not as easy to drag as they said it the Kawasaki launch video.
So dont let it get to you, like they say seat time will let get quicker but to run fast times you will have to lower it, change sprockets etc.
My 2cents.
posted December 05, 2006 09:25 AM
This is one of the easiest bikes i have ever worked on to make fast. The bike hasnt even been out a year and guys talk like it's next to impossible to make fast. The busa has been out what 7-8 years and think of all the R&D it has gone through....
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posted December 05, 2006 04:58 PM
you can't even spell disappoints, and you say the 14 is slow,
bad schools and shit gas in australia
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quote:Smokin im sure hes not 130 lbs like You. 1.50s are unbelievable. But 1.95 greg? I can cut a better 60 on my 2000 zx7stock bike . Get back 2 the track and practice.
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I'm the 130 lbs one. thank YOU!
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