Hannula
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posted March 19, 2007 01:19 AM
Maybe I can throw in my own comment. There's no difference between the ABS and non-ABS 14 in day to day riding. How could there be? You must either provoke the system to intervene or somehow else get too close to the limits. Until that, there's no difference whatsoever. None. This is what I've learned during 10 000 miles on my 14ABS and some 20 000 miles with my previous ABS bike.
As I explained in an earlier thread (http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=27&TID=28792&set_time=) the point in the system is rather to get more confidence in your braking drills and therefore make you a more skilled rider than get significant and direct advantage from the system in your braking distances or make the braking somehow less demanding or whatever. You won't like the system to intervene, that's a fact since it feels pretty crap when it's doing so, but it's definitely a better option than taking chances with loosing control or hitting your face into the tarmac. The system won't change the braking distance significantly better or worse, especially when you have only the one single try, it's still up to the rider as ever. That's the outcome of our trials and the picture I posted earlier in this thread concludes the results of that day pretty well.
However, if we really want it, we can pretty easily arrange a set of scenes where either an ABS or a non-ABS bike is "proved" to be a better pick in terms of braking distance. It's just a matter of imagination and won't reflect the reality in an useful way. Hell, the ABS alone can't change the fact that the 14 experience is there just as ever!! 
  
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posted March 19, 2007 01:33 PM
Well then they must have come a long way.. and that is what my question was. I know people that have had ABS.. and linked braking systems that say the brakes feel HORRIBLE.... so your comet, there is no difference in day to day riding.. "how can there be", either shows that they have done a great job with this system.. or that you are not very astute at feeling the braking system. I for one would believe by your comments.. that you are a pretty good rider.... so.. I must assume that they have done a great job with the system. I must say though.. that if the ONLY gain with the ABS is when you jam them on.... then I must agree that they are not a priority for me. I have had many brake slams for deer and other animals... drivers... etc.. and I am pretty comfortable with not "freaking out" and pulling the brakes too hard. If that is the case.. then whoever is riding... does not have their head in the 'game'. From your explanation, the ABS brakes are only there to bypass a huge rider error... if your explanation is not correct... then if it is wet, or if there is some gravel... then the bike will skip and jump and react as you state up above, "it feels pretty crap(py) wen doing so". I guess something does not add up... you sound sold on it... and I have no argument with that, (or you).. but I really don't think that it is "the cat's meow". I am not anti, ABS... but I also am not jumping in saying that it is a MUST have based upon the information that I have heard on here.. and from those that have it that I have spoken to . Thanks for the info... Hope I have made some sense... and that I am not considered a pompous, arrogant person for my honesty. I am sure we all would enjoy riding and hanging with each other.. even if at times there seems to be some questions amongst us. Have a fine day.
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Hannula
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posted March 19, 2007 03:02 PM
 Edited By: Hannula on 19 Mar 2007 16:03
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then if it is wet, or if there is some gravel... then the bike will skip and jump and react as you state up above, "it feels pretty crap(py) wen doing so". I guess something does not add up... you sound sold on it... and I have no argument with that, (or you).. but I really don't think that it is "the cat's meow".
It's the cat's meow in a way a back protector is, in a sense.
The 14ABS is just like a non-ABS 14 until the tyre locks up (or is about to do so). I'm not sure if there's a deceleration trigger in the Nissin system, but the measured peak deceleration of -10.7 m/s2 indicates (and it wasn't our best shot) that the trigger isn't too low (if there is any) to hamper day to day riding. And it doesn't happen. I wouldn't pay anything for a system that makes its presence clear every time I grab the brake lever.
Am I or was I sold on it? When I traded in my previous ride, there was a non-ABS 14 and a 14ABS to choose from. I had plenty of experience in the Nissin system and didn't really think twice whether to go for it or not, even though I had no chance to take it for a test ride. Has it saved me from anything? It has activated in normal riding only once while doing mountain twisties some 1500 miles from home. It was a surprise how weak the front tyre grip can be on who knows how many decades old tarmac, going steep uphill and 2 up. Then there was a 225 degree blind right hander... 
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posted March 19, 2007 05:10 PM
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ABS is ghey and won't be seen on any true sportbike from litre bike down. I can't beleive europe is offered such a homo option, had to be some ghey politicians forcing crap on the people
Some rider's skills are very advanced, but the majority of riders will fall into the intermediate or "casual" rider level. This is in no way a reflection of their interest in motorcycles, it's just that other obligations in life tend to occupy precious time.
Life also gives us different inherent abilities to improve those skills. Let's face it, some may practive very hard but still fall short of others' skill with minimal input, and competition is only a small part of what most riders "ride" for. Commuting, leisure time, fun with the buds, swapping lies, etc. It's about enjoying what you spent your money on.
ABS isn't trying to excuse having lesser skill, it's simply a safety feature that can help folks brake stronger with more forgiveness. And it doesn't have to be an "Oh Bleep"moment. It could just be some rainslick asphalt or a little too much braking in a corner. It's not the cure, it's just a piece of the overall puzzle. I think many would appreciate the helping hand more than the painful lesson (not to mention the associated bills or ruined ride).
Although year after year I never grow older (I wish) and my reaction time just gets closer to the speed of light (I'm dreaming now), I don't mind seeing peoplehave options. I say ride what you got and just have fun. If you want it get it, if you don't that's swell also. It's all good if you're out there ridin'.
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posted March 20, 2007 11:00 AM
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posted March 20, 2007 11:05 AM
Edited By: sp00ky on 20 Mar 2007 12:15
Done 420 miles on it and i LOOOOOOVE it. It's has a good riding position, it's smooth, it's responsive, and most of all it's powerful. The pegs are lower than most similar style bikes and the bars are wider. One thing i didn't know till i got it is, the main lights are on a sensor and come on automatically when the sky starts to darken. One more thing; when you stop somewhere peeps come over and w*nk over it.
The only thing i dont like is the length of the cans so i'm putting 2 Scorpians on in 2 days time.
My previous (ABS) post was sarcasm, hence the !!!!!! - I'm well pleased with my choice to get the ABS version. Besides getting it thrown in free of charge, there is NO ground clearance issue, in fact i think the bar ends would touch-ground just before the ABS,
Also i can use the brakes fully in the wet which was handy last night as i got snowed on all the way from Redhill to Brighton.
The brakes are better than my last bike's (1200 bandit) without the ABS engaging (as previously stated they dont work unless the wheels are locked ) - I think i felt a little fluctuation on the lever last night but as my fingers were iced-up, i cant be sure.
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posted March 20, 2007 01:17 PM
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I think i felt a little fluctuation on the lever last night but as my fingers were iced-up, i cant be sure.
Where you live that gets ice this time of year?
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Mechanic
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posted March 20, 2007 02:12 PM
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...My previous (ABS) post was sarcasm, hence the !!!!!! - I'm well pleased with my choice to get the ABS version. ...
Careful matey, sarcasm is not readily understood over here!
They have no idea about what happens over in You-rup. It's not part of the school syllabus here like it is in the UK. I majored in it. Got my BSc.
I'm envious of your new wheels..sasafrazanrazanrickrastardly!
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posted March 20, 2007 08:31 PM
Mechanic... of course we all got the sarcasm... it was funny.. and I will agree, I have no idea what goes on in Europe. What is a BSc?? is that a new Eurpean motorcycle??!! Does it have ABs??!! Not sure if you have kids or not... but I think I will call you Jimmy Nuetron from now on... (due to your oversized cranium.... in the Avatar) By the way.. are you a mechanic for real... or do you just play one on the Internet??? How is your new bike treating you?? Have you had a chance to ride a 14 yet?? (With or without ABS) My school syllabus was, go to class A and act as though you are learning something... then proceed to class B and act as though you understand. Pretty tough stuff in my neck of the woods. My extra credit was to learn to get along with others.... but I guess since I did well in that class... you feel the need to talk down to me... regardless... I will prod on in life just missing the intelligent stuff that those wise ones throw past me. In the meantime, I will continue to be the uneducated slob that is narrow minded and envious of those that feel a need to protect their open and diverse opinions... (Opinions that are without a doubt... unquestionable.) I remember working with one of those diverse thinkers... with their statement, "it's my way, or the highway". I then realized that I could never be as correct as him. Now, as his boss, I realize that his so called intelligence, has made him look incredibly unintelligent. Am I saying that you are looking like this gentleman??? noooo, what would make you think that??!! Hey... I hope you have fun.... and that is NOT sarcasm.
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posted March 20, 2007 08:34 PM
ya I'm just having sarcastic fun too, anyone know where I can get ABS for my 600RR track bike?
ABS is so effective, and my bike is the only one on the racetrack WITHOUT it hehehe
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posted March 20, 2007 08:52 PM
Hey stevefl... I hope that you also have ABS on your scooter that is in the background of your photo... Or is that the crappy US model?? I wouldn't have bought it if it didn't have the ABS... I would have gotten the 15 speed TUFFY. You never know if you may be riding around on the scooter and have to hit the brakes when an Alligator jumps out in front of you. Although, SOME people may not know what an alligator is, since they are not from Florida... Not everyone is aware of Gators if they didn't have it learned to them in school. By the way... isn't that tire slippery when you are going around corners with that 'stuff' on your tires??? I sure hope that you have LONG extention cords!!! And when did Honda make a 715?? I guess I am so stupid that I missed that one.???
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Hannula
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posted March 21, 2007 12:51 AM
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By the way... isn't that tire slippery when you are going around corners with that 'stuff' on your tires???
OMG, what are you thinking? Those tyre protectors are supposed to be hot, so the grip is actually better when riding those things on.
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posted March 21, 2007 08:55 AM
Bahahaha that "STUFF" on the tires are the tire warmers heating them up so they'll stick on the track the moment the flag drops!!!!!!!!!!
What do you mean slippery? Those tires are GUMMY bro
My point, all this hassle for better braking. And no one on a track wastes time with "ABS" cuz its iuseless GHEYDOM
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posted March 21, 2007 08:58 AM
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Hey stevefl... And when did Honda make a 715?? I guess I am so stupid that I missed that one.???
stupid isn't the word for it if you've never seen racing numbers and tire warmers on a track bike.
Some people make me wanna  with their stupidity.
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posted March 21, 2007 11:02 AM
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I think i felt a little fluctuation on the lever last night but as my fingers were iced-up, i cant be sure.
Where you live that gets ice this time of year?
South UK - so much for global warming eh
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posted March 21, 2007 11:49 AM
if global warming gets any better maybe I won't need those tire warmers either
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posted March 21, 2007 09:01 PM
Hey Steve... I guess I have to side with Jimmy Nuetron at this point.... You do not get sarcasm??!!! dear goodness sakes??!! Now read my post again, and realize that it is a joke... Geez, I go out to give Mechanic an idea of our sarcasm... and you drop the ball??!!
"Some people make me wanna with their stupidity. "... Right back at you.... or are you being sarcastic?? haha I try to just have some fun with you.. and you miss it and throw it at me.... now that is funny... I bet Mechanic just fell off from his HUGE pillow.... Laughing his cranium off.
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posted March 21, 2007 09:41 PM
Edited By: stevewfl on 21 Mar 2007 22:42
I'm always being sarcastic online....if I was serious I'd have PM'd you
When I post such chit I'm just spewing 
But I side against the ghey ABS on sportbike thingie. But not as much as I post against ABS- I just like keeping the europeans wound up 
There was another thread here where the europeans took the bait......
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posted March 22, 2007 12:21 AM
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if global warming gets any better maybe I won't need those tire warmers either
It's been said that if global warming continues at this rate; the UK will have a climate of the current French Riviera, and Holland will sink beneath the sea..
So what's the problem again!!!!
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posted March 22, 2007 02:57 PM
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if global warming gets any better maybe I won't need those tire warmers either
It's been said that if global warming continues at this rate; the UK will have a climate of the current French Riviera, and Holland will sink beneath the sea..
So what's the problem again!!!!
+1
lets warm it up!
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