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posted November 20, 2006 02:03 PM
Brock's ZX-14 Diary Update 3.2 (After Maxton)
I thought some of you might enjoy this brief story:
Diary Update 3.2
Happy Reading!
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posted November 20, 2006 02:13 PM
Another great job Brock.
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posted November 20, 2006 02:22 PM
Cool 
So whats next Brock?
Any other development plans for the 14 over the winter?
Cams?
Pistons?
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smokinZX14
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posted November 20, 2006 02:23 PM
Great read Brock.... Job well done. I just loaded your Race map and heading for 8s stock wheel base. I don't know if i have skills to pull off an 8 second pass but what the hell it's worth a shot.....Smokin...
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posted November 20, 2006 03:50 PM
Brock, is your Maxton map better for the 1/4 then the supplied track map I have now? If so I will have to get the maxton map from you.
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posted November 20, 2006 04:02 PM
Awesome.........simply awesome!
It's a known fact that Brock has the right combination with his parts and Chip is the rider to make it happen..........just wish the conditions could have been more ideal.
Dan
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posted November 21, 2006 02:14 AM
Thanks Brock, enjoyed the video and congratulations.
Bob.
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posted November 21, 2006 03:33 AM
Bentley,
FWIW, although we all know that my 204 HP dyno number may be a big fluke...............o.k., o.k. it is a fluke, the Maxton map is what I had in it then and still do. My bike seems to like that map. Brock uses it too for drag racing.
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posted November 21, 2006 06:35 AM
Good Read, enjoyed the video.
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Brock
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posted November 21, 2006 07:03 AM
Guys,
Thanks for the good words about the update.
Chip did a fantastic job and the 14 spoke for it's self again....damn this is FAST motorcycle! I will also swear on ANYTHING that the only cover which has ever been removed from this bike is the clutch cover (for the doubters).
Anyone who thinks they will be able to jump on a stock wheelbase 14 and RIDE it well enough to run these times will have a hard lesson coming to them. I have been riding for 20+ years... I'm not small any longer and I have never been considered one of the best jockey's... but I don't suck either! Average to slightly above is what I would consider myself compared to the general public and my best is still a 9.28. That's a lifetime away from the eights in drag racing. Another note: my best pass at Gainesville was a 9.35/152 against that wind.
We used the Maxton map at the dragstrip because it was cool outside and Gainesville is very close to sea level. I the warmer months, this map will be replaced with one of our standard maps for drag strip use.
FYI: the Maxton map would make ok HP in these same conditions on the dyno...but generally this would NOT be the best map for dyno bragging rights!
Remember: bike on dyno- no ram air effect...bike on track, ram air forcing more air into the engine; Two totally different applications- two totally different maps. Of course, ram air equipped bikes compensate on their own...but it is a low tech system which is not perfect. We simply recognize this and pass the correct info. /maps etc to our customers to help them go faster in the real world.
I haven't decided what to do to the bike from this point...but I'm up for suggestions!
What would the bikeland.org members like to see done to the Diary bike next?
Let me know and thanks again.
Brock
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bigdtd
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posted November 21, 2006 07:25 AM
Lighter wheels I think would be the next step that I would take. I bet that would make a big difference.
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posted November 21, 2006 08:18 AM
Brock, I have no doubt that thing would have been in the 8's. Here in Louisiana, we have a guy that has run 8.80's with his 14. The difference is, that he's stretched way out, 11" over stock, and has a sidewinder and an airshifter. He also ways about 200lbs suited.
I think it's only a matter of time before somebody runs an 8, with only a pipe/PC, and foot shifting.
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Brent Davis
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posted November 21, 2006 09:32 AM
Add the roaring toyz extensions and go for the 8 then. You know that is what I've been saying do.
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14black
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posted November 21, 2006 11:58 AM
Brock, how would your Maxton map be with Area P slip-ons and no flies???
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smokinZX14
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posted November 21, 2006 12:04 PM
 Edited By: smokinZX14 on 21 Nov 2006 12:11
quote:
Guys,
Thanks for the good words about the update.
Chip did a fantastic job and the 14 spoke for it's self again....damn this is FAST motorcycle! I will also swear on ANYTHING that the only cover which has ever been removed from this bike is the clutch cover (for the doubters).
Anyone who thinks they will be able to jump on a stock wheelbase 14 and RIDE it well enough to run these times will have a hard lesson coming to them. I have been riding for 20+ years... I'm not small any longer and I have never been considered one of the best jockey's... but I don't suck either! Average to slightly above is what I would consider myself compared to the general public and my best is still a 9.28. That's a lifetime away from the eights in drag racing. Another note: my best pass at Gainesville was a 9.35/152 against that wind.
We used the Maxton map at the dragstrip because it was cool outside and Gainesville is very close to sea level. I the warmer months, this map will be replaced with one of our standard maps for drag strip use.
FYI: the Maxton map would make ok HP in these same conditions on the dyno...but generally this would NOT be the best map for dyno bragging rights!
Remember: bike on dyno- no ram air effect...bike on track, ram air forcing more air into the engine; Two totally different applications- two totally different maps. Of course, ram air equipped bikes compensate on their own...but it is a low tech system which is not perfect. We simply recognize this and pass the correct info. /maps etc to our customers to help them go faster in the real world.
I haven't decided what to do to the bike from this point...but I'm up for suggestions!
What would the bikeland.org members like to see done to the Diary bike next?
Let me know and thanks again.
Brock
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(Hard lesson coming to them)....I guess that was ment for me ....  Thanks for the encouragement......
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posted November 21, 2006 12:38 PM
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I haven't decided what to do to the bike from this point...but I'm up for suggestions!
What would the bikeland.org members like to see done to the Diary bike next?
Any thoughts on ignition timing?
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posted November 21, 2006 01:55 PM
I believe Pierre may be making some Bear Engineering velocity stacks for the 14............
I'd like to continue with the bolt-on stuff.
Dan
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posted November 21, 2006 03:53 PM
Why would you have a 40 tooth rear sprocket on for the drag strip? Thats higher geared than stock. Ive been gearing down. I geuss ive been going the wrong way.
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posted November 21, 2006 06:17 PM
SPRAY IT!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also lets see you and Rob Muzzy get together and have a shootout 1 14 run it with robs pipe and map then switch to your pipe and map same rider same day (a nuetral rider)and lets put the truth out there once and for all
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posted November 21, 2006 06:21 PM
the truth is already there check this board
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posted November 21, 2006 08:58 PM
Thanks for the writeup and the video! 
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posted November 22, 2006 04:25 AM
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Why would you have a 40 tooth rear sprocket on for the drag strip? Thats higher geared than stock. Ive been gearing down. I geuss ive been going the wrong way.
If the engine makes enough power and the clutch can take it and the bike's less likely to wheely, why not gear up?
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posted November 22, 2006 05:59 AM
Smokin- GO FOR IT!! I REALLY HOPE you can get it done! 9.18 is FLYING- you are already faster than me. Hell, you are faster than I think I can go on a perfect pass with my current set-up!
I just think that some of the guys on the boards might not realize just how difficult this task is. Let's face it, I'm a professional tuner and I put professional riders on my bike. We make it look easy when you watch the video. I just don't want guys to get discouraged when they go to the track and don't even get close.
I remember 20 years ago I used to watch the bike magazines times, head to the drag strip and frustratingly wonder how they could have gone so fast. Naturally, I thought there was funny business going on. NOW....I wonder why they go so SLOW. Drag racing sport bikes is big kid FUN....don't let someone else's numbers ruin your good time.
We used to go down to Daytona Bike Week every year with built engines and get our asses handed to us by guys with properly set up stock bikes. I learned a lot from Terry Jones, Chris Williams and other "Florida Boys" about how much quicker a stock bike can go when properly equipped/ set-up and tuned with the right aftermarket parts- it's all in the details. They simply didn't have the $$$ to trick out their engines, so they perfected what they did have. It was amazing to see how fast they could go. Once we began racing Super Sport...the go fast detail list began to grow. FYI: we have secured the AMA/ Prostar 1000 Supersport National Championship for the second straight year on our GSX-R1000's using these same techniques.
Now that we removed the flies on the 14, the bike has FAR too much power in first gear to keep the front wheel on the ground at the strip. It tried to loop on the 1-2 shift several times with me and Sonny driving- there is nothing a rider can do about this problem and still save the pass. Dropping to a 40 on the rear extends the wheelbase a bit and makes the bike more rider-friendly to launch... decreasing the torque multiplication also now keeps the front wheel at a reasonable height after the 1-2 shift with the gas fully locked.
The timing should make around 4-7 additional HP......Once a plug in ignition module is available, I plan to test it and the MR10 fuel on the dyno. At the moment, I'm stomping out fires that have been burning in my daily duties for weeks (and months!).
Glad you like the Diaries and keep the suggestions coming.
Brock
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posted November 22, 2006 08:36 AM
Brock,
Can you do the Y2K timing mod that we did to the ZX12 when it first cam out?
It was just slotting the pick-up where you can slid it up, Some say this can
add 2 to 2.5 degrees advance. This could be the push to get into the 8's.
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smokinZX14
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posted November 22, 2006 09:48 AM
Brock it's Winter and your tracks are closed ..............So come on down to SW FL and bring the zx14 with an air shifter , 40 dry shot and some bolt on Exts.....We can test each one and see what gains are to be had ... I live 48 miles from BMP and i have a 4 car shop at my home with all the tools needed for any mod...We can get little Vic to do the riding.......I live a 1/2 mile from the beach , so think of it as a vacation.....Smokin...
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