posted November 18, 2006 01:51 PM
Edited By: fullzx12r on 18 Nov 2006 13:52
my 14 on track ---- VIDEO ---- lot's of problem, not good feeling :
look a the end of the video... :?
posted November 19, 2006 10:35 AM
Much better riding toward the end, get better track day tires for next time.
I can see you backed down ,smart move! Try getting off the bike more to save the bodywork.
Maybe some adjustable rear links to raise the back-end a little,
will help it turn in quicker and make it grind things less.
Again, nice vid, thanks for sharing.
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Now pull the secondary throttle plates, install 16 tooth CS sprocket,
tighten up rear compression damping, so it doesn't squat under accelleration, this will help keep the geometry balanced through throttle transitions,
hold it open all the way into the braking before corner entries. brake later
carry a lower gear through the corners so your at 6-7000 rpm, after the apex
then they won't pull you on the straights or pass in corner entries, even with a cornering clearance deficit!
Now pull the secondary throttle plates, install 16 tooth CS sprocket,
tighten up rear compression damping, so it doesn't squat under accelleration, this will help keep the geometry balanced through throttle transitions,
hold it open all the way into the braking before corner entries. brake later
carry a lower gear through the corners so your at 6-7000 rpm, after the apex
then they won't pull you on the straights or pass in corner entries, even with a cornering clearance deficit!
Now pull the secondary throttle plates, install 16 tooth CS sprocket,
tighten up rear compression damping, so it doesn't squat under accelleration, this will help keep the geometry balanced through throttle transitions,
hold it open all the way into the braking before corner entries. brake later
carry a lower gear through the corners so your at 6-7000 rpm, after the apex
then they won't pull you on the straights or pass in corner entries, even with a cornering clearance deficit!
piss off those pesky little bikes
They have more to do in France than just pulling the flies; the opening on the intakes is reduced by like 70% or more from pics I had seen. They have to remove the restrictors on top of the intakes too, as these bikes are limited to 100 HP I believe...but he's got some critical track basics to learn...but good stuff though...brings back summer memories. Nice vid's Full...track is a blast, keep it up!!...even if some of the guys here say can't figure out that that was the track.
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posted November 19, 2006 09:06 PM
Edited By: dubious on 19 Nov 2006 21:16
quote:
quote:Nice Vid Full.
Nice work.
Now pull the secondary throttle plates, install 16 tooth CS sprocket,
tighten up rear compression damping, so it doesn't squat under accelleration, this will help keep the geometry balanced through throttle transitions,
hold it open all the way into the braking before corner entries. brake later
carry a lower gear through the corners so your at 6-7000 rpm, after the apex
then they won't pull you on the straights or pass in corner entries, even with a cornering clearance deficit!
piss off those pesky little bikes
i just like to see you at a track
yeah I'd like to see me at one now too!
-20C and 10" of snow on the ground here!
I was not trying to be critical in a bad way....
It was meant to be constructive.
I have always appreciated Fullzx12r contributions
can't have old zx9's passing 14's is all.
I've owned both, and know that although the 14 has less ground clearance, and needs suspension work and set up, (too soft for circuit) the zx9 was soft too.
In fact the only advantage the zx9 has over a zx14, is ground clearance.
The 14 can't carry the same corner speed (lean angle), because of this, but can outpull and outbrake it from corner to corner, if ridden as aggressively
quote:...although the 14 has less ground clearance, and needs suspension work and set up, (too soft for circuit) the zx9 was soft too.
In fact the only advantage the zx9 has over a zx14, is ground clearance.
The 14 can't carry the same corner speed (lean angle), because of this, but can outpull and outbrake it from corner to corner, if ridden as aggressively
I am interested in both, circuit and drag racing. So, I will probably not do a great job on either, but I can do a good job on both, if I set up properly.
You bring up a good point about the 14 on the circuit. What do you recommend? Is suspension setup enough, i.e. firm it up? Or does you comment about "needs suspension work" refer to something more expensive?
Now pull the secondary throttle plates, install 16 tooth CS sprocket,
tighten up rear compression damping, so it doesn't squat under accelleration, this will help keep the geometry balanced through throttle transitions,
hold it open all the way into the braking before corner entries. brake later
carry a lower gear through the corners so your at 6-7000 rpm, after the apex
then they won't pull you on the straights or pass in corner entries, even with a cornering clearance deficit!
piss off those pesky little bikes
i just like to see you at a track
yeah I'd like to see me at one now too!
-20C and 10" of snow on the ground here!
I was not trying to be critical in a bad way....
It was meant to be constructive.
I have always appreciated Fullzx12r contributions
can't have old zx9's passing 14's is all.
I've owned both, and know that although the 14 has less ground clearance, and needs suspension work and set up, (too soft for circuit) the zx9 was soft too.
In fact the only advantage the zx9 has over a zx14, is ground clearance.
The 14 can't carry the same corner speed (lean angle), because of this, but can outpull and outbrake it from corner to corner, if ridden as aggressively
not being a smart ass ....but get rid of the zx9 and get a zx10..simply because i riden and owned all 3.... and i know i can take a turn 10 to 15mph faster on the zx10.... whata say fba
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posted November 20, 2006 05:40 AM
full why that green zx12 has a 14 number on it.... same bike thats blows by in video i think..... 1397 kit
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posted November 20, 2006 10:24 AM
Edited By: dubious on 20 Nov 2006 10:48
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:Nice Vid Full.
Nice work.
Now pull the secondary throttle plates, install 16 tooth CS sprocket,
tighten up rear compression damping, so it doesn't squat under accelleration, this will help keep the geometry balanced through throttle transitions,
hold it open all the way into the braking before corner entries. brake later
carry a lower gear through the corners so your at 6-7000 rpm, after the apex
then they won't pull you on the straights or pass in corner entries, even with a cornering clearance deficit!
piss off those pesky little bikes
i just like to see you at a track
yeah I'd like to see me at one now too!
-20C and 10" of snow on the ground here!
I was not trying to be critical in a bad way....
It was meant to be constructive.
I have always appreciated Fullzx12r contributions
can't have old zx9's passing 14's is all.
I've owned both, and know that although the 14 has less ground clearance, and needs suspension work and set up, (too soft for circuit) the zx9 was soft too.
In fact the only advantage the zx9 has over a zx14, is ground clearance.
The 14 can't carry the same corner speed (lean angle), because of this, but can outpull and outbrake it from corner to corner, if ridden as aggressively
not being a smart ass ....but get rid of the zx9 and get a zx10..simply because i riden and owned all 3.... and i know i can take a turn 10 to 15mph faster on the zx10.... whata say fba
dooy !
I don't have the zx9 anymore. .... sheesh
reading comprehension?
"Ive owned " is past tense dood.
"I own" is present tense!
:P
The 10 is a much better track machine than the 9 could have ever dreamed.
the 9 was engineered to be a sport street bike.
the 10 to be a streeteable track bike.
the 14 a sport street / hyper touring bike.
My initial point was with lower gearing, to match top speeds with the literbikes, and derestricted, the 14 if ridden aggressively enough could beat the liter bikes from corner exit to corner entry. It would still be at a disadvantage through the apex due to less available ground clearance, and stiffening rear suspension would help keep the geometry stable as the 14 easily overpowers the rear shock, and this makes it wallow in the corner exits, and when modulating throttle mid corner.
The 14 likes to squat under power, and this causes the bike to push wide, or understeer.
This phenomenon makes it more difficult dial in the rear wheel steer, beyond the apex too.
I was only trying to offer help.
Nobody enjoys getting passed by bikes that are smaller, and 5 yrs older.
The truth is anyone going to a track who does not stiffen their suspension will likely become frustrated .....eventually.
Tracks are smoother, wider, cleaner, and therefor faster than street riding.
Stiifer suspension, lower gearing, suitable tires, become necessities to get the most out of your ride, and will make the experience much more enjoyable.
I could see that Fullzx12r was not pushing the bike nor track completely to its limits, he was leaving a decent margin of safety , very likely to save his bike.
I understand he went to enjoy the day, not to take huge chances and throw the bike away.
It was obvious his tires were ending his day too.
Now pull the secondary throttle plates, install 16 tooth CS sprocket,
tighten up rear compression damping, so it doesn't squat under accelleration, this will help keep the geometry balanced through throttle transitions,
hold it open all the way into the braking before corner entries. brake later
carry a lower gear through the corners so your at 6-7000 rpm, after the apex
then they won't pull you on the straights or pass in corner entries, even with a cornering clearance deficit!
piss off those pesky little bikes
i just like to see you at a track
yeah I'd like to see me at one now too!
-20C and 10" of snow on the ground here!
I was not trying to be critical in a bad way....
It was meant to be constructive.
I have always appreciated Fullzx12r contributions
can't have old zx9's passing 14's is all.
I've owned both, and know that although the 14 has less ground clearance, and needs suspension work and set up, (too soft for circuit) the zx9 was soft too.
In fact the only advantage the zx9 has over a zx14, is ground clearance.
The 14 can't carry the same corner speed (lean angle), because of this, but can outpull and outbrake it from corner to corner, if ridden as aggressively
not being a smart ass ....but get rid of the zx9 and get a zx10..simply because i riden and owned all 3.... and i know i can take a turn 10 to 15mph faster on the zx10.... whata say fba
dooy !
I don't have the zx9 anymore. .... sheesh
reading comprehension?
"Ive owned " is past tense dood.
"I own" is present tense!
:P
The 10 is a much better track machine than the 9 could have ever dreamed.
the 9 was engineered to be a sport street bike.
the 10 to be a streeteable track bike.
the 14 a sport street / hyper touring bike.
My initial point was with lower gearing, to match top speeds with the literbikes, and derestricted, the 14 if ridden aggressively enough could beat the liter bikes from corner exit to corner entry. It would still be at a disadvantage through the apex due to less available ground clearance, and stiffening rear suspension would help keep the geometry stable as the 14 easily overpowers the rear shock, and this makes it wallow in the corner exits, and when modulating throttle mid corner.
The 14 likes to squat under power, and this causes the bike to push wide, or understeer.
This phenomenon makes it more difficult dial in the rear wheel steer, beyond the apex too.
I was only trying to offer help.
Nobody enjoys getting passed by bikes that are smaller, and 5 yrs older.
The truth is anyone going to a track who does not stiffen their suspension will likely become frustrated .....eventually.
Tracks are smoother, wider, cleaner, and therefor faster than street riding.
Stiifer suspension, lower gearing, suitable tires, become necessities to get the most out of your ride, and will make the experience much more enjoyable.
I could see that Fullzx12r was not pushing the bike nor track completely to its limits, he was leaving a decent margin of safety , very likely to save his bike.
I understand he went to enjoy the day, not to take huge chances and throw the bike away.
It was obvious his tires were ending his day too.
geeezzzzz dub.....can't a fool mess with you......lighten up.......chill pills work wonders........i'm glad we agree on the zx9 and zx10 thing.....but what about the new zx8 thats gonna show up in a year
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posted November 20, 2006 11:58 AM
ZX10 yes...blows the ZX9 and 14 away on the track with ease...agreed 1BAD. I have both the 10 and the 14 currently...but no fucking way in hell do these bikes go to the track, when I can rent a 600 for the day and break that instead (as I did this past June). Let it be their problem, not mine. I have been down more than once on the track...and though the bikes got fucked up...I'm still here.
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posted November 20, 2006 02:37 PM
Edited By: dubious on 20 Nov 2006 14:45
quote:
I am interested in both, circuit and drag racing. So, I will probably not do a great job on either, but I can do a good job on both, if I set up properly.
You bring up a good point about the 14 on the circuit. What do you recommend? Is suspension setup enough, i.e. firm it up? Or does you comment about "needs suspension work" refer to something more expensive?
I am looking at a traxxion cartridge and springs for the front, and ohlins rear shock.
about $2000
I weigh 200 lbs.
On a budget, stiffer springs frt and rear, raise the oil height up front and play with the dials.
stiffer springs will need more rebound damping and a little bit of compression.
Stock..
I find the front and rear are too soft for hard charging throttle transitions, and can easily bottom the front end while braking.
The bike wallows, and messes up thre geometry depending on what your right fingers, and right hand are doing.
The rear squats too much under throttle causing understeer, making the bike loose its line and turn wider when you roll back on the gas.
I prefer oversteer, I don't mind hanging it out, and power sliding.
When it pushes, all you can do is get back off the gas and recollect your line.
I want a bike that puts the front tire where I steer it, and will deal with the rear end with the throttle.
posted November 20, 2006 08:31 PM
Get a liter bike pal...no matter what, you'll never get close to one with a 14, handling-wise anyway. Go get the new Gixxer...that'll give you 'zactly what ya want...not quite as quick as the 14, but will go just where you point it. T/C her and you'll have a 1000 that beats 14's and handles to your liking. 'nuf said fer now -- FBA out. ____________
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quote:Get a liter bike pal...no matter what, you'll never get close to one with a 14, handling-wise anyway. Go get the new Gixxer...that'll give you 'zactly what ya want...not quite as quick as the 14, but will go just where you point it. T/C her and you'll have a 1000 that beats 14's and handles to your liking. 'nuf said fer now -- FBA out.
Yeah I bought the 14 for cct use............... doooy
No I bought it for outright accelleration, and think it should handle better than it does from Kawi.
Once the suspension is broken in it becomes a wallowing pig
My only dissapointment in the bike.
Some suspension setup and mods would make it worlds WORLDS better than it is....
Anyone who has ever done their own suspension work would realise this.
They would also realise that the more power you put to the ground, the more difficult it becomes to control suspension and geometry.
It can be turned in to a bike that oversteers, rather than understeers.
It will NEVER be a literbike for handling.
It was never designed for that.
Contrary to your belief , not everyone has kindergarten math skilz, and some realize what disadvantage an extra 100 lbs is as well.
google suspension.... maybe you'll learn alittle.
Now go lick your puss like the good bitch you are.
posted November 22, 2006 01:51 PM
well, really his rhetorical sarcasim was getting silly,
approaching idiocy.
Twisting and manipulating the subject.
Just a lame attempt to denounce, irritate, and piss me off.
Suspension set up and mods could make the 14 handle much much better, i never said better than a literbike....
of course the 10 is a better handling track machine.
My point is the 14 can be made to handle alot better once better control of the the suspension is achieved.
posted November 22, 2006 02:13 PM
When you finally get the 14 dialed in, I'd love to know how it feels according to you. I've found that she tends to speed wobble when you tighten up the rear, even a bit, but I'm sure that you know exactly how to dial it in.
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