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posted October 20, 2006 08:25 PM
New polyethylene frame sliders 79.95
58CYCLES.COM I just ordered a set.
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posted October 21, 2006 04:30 AM
Send some pics, tell us what you think of them, how about a link?
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posted October 21, 2006 07:57 AM
http://store.58cycle.com/product_p/proimpact%20fs%20zx14%2006.htm
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posted October 21, 2006 08:02 AM
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posted October 21, 2006 08:16 AM
Dam cant seem to get a pic or quick link from there site. I will send a pic when they are on my bike next week.
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posted October 21, 2006 08:32 AM
http://store.58cycle.com/product_p/proimpact%20fs%20zx14%2006.htm
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posted October 21, 2006 09:10 AM
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Sure could have used 'em Tuesday......
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posted October 21, 2006 10:12 AM
ninja14 hope you get fixed up soon good riding with you. I know you are a good rider heard you where realy pushing those stock tires to the limit.
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posted October 21, 2006 10:34 AM
Ninja 14 how far did that thing slide for?
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posted October 21, 2006 10:48 AM
How do those differ from the Muzzy sliders, other than price? Just as solid?
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posted October 21, 2006 10:54 AM
Edited By: Stalwart on 21 Oct 2006 11:58
Muzzy's are billet aluminum and the others are ultra high molecular weight polyethylene. I also suspect Muzzy's has vastly superior hardware.
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posted October 21, 2006 11:12 AM
I've ran similar ones to the 78 dollar ones on my sv and had a 80mph lowside and they do a great job, no matter what they are made of they need replaced afer sliding that long.
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posted October 21, 2006 11:19 AM
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Muzzy's are billet aluminum and the others are ultra high molecular weight polyethylene. I also suspect Muzzy's has vastly superior hardware.
Stalwart, are they worth getting in your opinion?
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posted October 21, 2006 11:20 AM
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Only about 30 feet.........I went into a left and hit the fairing on the road.....again.......and it spun up the rear. Simply put - I was exceeding the bikes limits and it bit me.........it might say "Ninja" on the side, but...........maybe Sumo....... :-)
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posted October 21, 2006 11:39 AM
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Stalwart, are they worth getting in your opinion?
For a crash at speed, I'd lean toward the Muzzy's even at twice the price. As for protection from a tip over situation, I think the others would give better shock protection to the mount. You can always upgrade the hardware on the cheaper model. I don't use sliders, at least not yet, I have little worry of an accidental tip over. I haven't accidently tipped a bike over in over 20 years. On the street, it's gonna hurt the bike no matter what, but the Muzzy's would most likely pay for itself several times over in the first crash. These are only my OPINIONS, your results will vary. 
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posted October 21, 2006 11:48 AM
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what about these on ebay?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Kawasaki-Ninja-ZX14R-ZX14-No-Cut-Frame-Sliders-06-07_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ35580QQihZ013QQitemZ230041327052QQrdZ1
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posted October 21, 2006 12:05 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Kawasaki-Ninja-ZX14R-ZX14-No-Cut-Frame-Sliders-06-07_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ35580QQihZ013QQitemZ230041327052QQrdZ1
My feelings are the same, probably work fine for a garage accident but I'd rather have the Muzzy's on the road.
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posted October 21, 2006 12:15 PM
Arent the muzzys solid billet . If so thought that could possably bend the frame.
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posted October 21, 2006 12:25 PM
They all appear to mount to where the frame connects to the engine so if you hit it hard enough, you'll bend the frame AND break the upper case. If you hit that hard I don't think you'll care much about the bike.
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posted October 21, 2006 12:35 PM
Yes what you say is true on impact . I do canyon riding and on a slide like ninja 14 just had the poly will grind down easyer than billet. I think that would allow less frame pressure.
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posted October 21, 2006 12:48 PM
IMO...
I would rather use poly than aluminum, for a garage tip over the poly will absorb more impact rather than dispersing it to the frame/ motor mount.
Cast aluminum is very brittle and I wish not to subject the back bone of the bike to any such impact.
The cheaper hardware is better IMO as well, as the motor mount WILL break likely before a 180 psi Muzzy bolt even begins to bend.
High speed impacts could result in questionable damage from either set of sliders.
In any event, any likely impact of even moderate speed, the bike would likely become a write off. There is so much plastic and expensive equipment detrimental to the operability of the machine exposed, that likely it would not even be rideable / operable to get to a service location.
We have seen over $2000 damages from tip overs, and over $7000 damage from slides at 55mph, from zx14 owners and memebers of this website.
Basically my expectations from a set of sliders would be to minimize damage from a tip over or parking lot slide... thats it.
Otherwise I have come to the conclusion the bike sustaining impacts of any other nature of any other velocity would likely create a write off.
These are just my opinions, which may be disproven as I have not owned each set of sliders, nor have I tested them.
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posted October 21, 2006 12:50 PM
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They all appear to mount to where the frame connects to the engine so if you hit it hard enough, you'll bend the frame AND break the upper case. If you hit that hard I don't think you'll care much about the bike.
+1 thats why I'm not interested in a set of 14 sliders. Considering the mounting points, to save the plastics the frame will be compromised anyhow. I'm not a physics major, and I just don't know. I was almost hoping by now someone would've slid across a slider and maybe gave us a great report.
Then again, the Muzzy's are so costly they should come with full crash insurance as well. 
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posted October 21, 2006 12:56 PM
Shear bolts...
we need bolts that will shear off if hit hard enough , before breaking the motor mounts, yet durable enough to withstand a tip over.
Like a shear pin, same purpose, same idea... to save more expensive or important equipment...
I thought about grinding down the bolts so if hit hard enough they would break away, instead of busting motor mounts, but engineering this is alot more involved than simply ginding the bolts to create a shear location.....
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posted October 21, 2006 01:51 PM
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Kawasaki-Ninja-ZX14R-ZX14-No-Cut-Frame-Sliders-06-07_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ35580QQihZ013QQitemZ230041327052QQrdZ1
My feelings are the same, probably work fine for a garage accident but I'd rather have the Muzzy's on the road.
I have the Muzzy's...the studs are billet but the sliders appear to be delrin...at least that's what they were sold as, I believe.
From Wikepedia...
"Delrin is the brand name for an acetal resin engineering plastic invented and sold by DuPont. Often marketed and used as a metal substitute, Delrin is a lightweight, low-friction, and wear-resistant plastic capable of operating in temperatures in excess of 90 degrees celsius (approx 200 degrees Fahrenheit).
Other names for this compound include: polyoxymethylene (POM), acetal resin, polytrioxane and polyformaldehyde."
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