Ojref
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posted September 10, 2006 09:11 AM
Who's full system would you buy, Tsukigi or Brocks Gen3 (canister)
After reading the little dissertation on ZX14.NET and looking at the photos, The Tsukigi appears to be a well constructed product, and it would appear it delivers the HP to match, if you believe the owner of the zx14.net website. On the other hand, A lot of people here have purchased Mr. Clean's pipe, and I have seen plenty of good feedback from that unit, however from some of the pictures I've seen the welding is suspect.
I am in the market to upgrade soon, so, does anybody have any more information regarding the Tsukigi? Any comparison to other pipes, such as Brocks?
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raptor14
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posted September 10, 2006 11:33 AM
No experience with the Tsukigi other seeing the pics that you are talking about. I do have Brock's Gen 3. If that is the one you are referring to with suspect welding, don't have that problem with mine. Perfect fit. No poor welds at the spring connectors. I have the carbon can so there are no welds there. Very well constructed. Brock's maps are spot on for both flies in with TRE and flies out without TRE. I would assume that the map is also spot on for flies in and no TRE but I can't speak on that one with any experience. It ain't just the quality of the pipe you need to consider, it's the maps and the customer service. I'll give Brock an A++. I'd have no issue buying another system from him again.
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vegasdude
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posted September 10, 2006 11:36 AM
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After reading the little dissertation on ZX14.NET and looking at the photos, The Tsukigi appears to be a well constructed product, and it would appear it delivers the HP to match, if you believe the owner of the zx14.net website. On the other hand, A lot of people here have purchased Mr. Clean's pipe, and I have seen plenty of good feedback from that unit, however from some of the pictures I've seen the welding is suspect.
I am in the market to upgrade soon, so, does anybody have any more information regarding the Tsukigi? Any comparison to other pipes, such as Brocks?
I would not judge a weld by a picture.............I have had 4 of Brock's pipes and they have been first rate in quality.............
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lietoome
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posted September 10, 2006 11:45 AM
I'm not a big fan of the weld quality of my Brock-hindle. I think that the quality control could be a bit more fine tuned where the welding is done(pipe and spring mounts). I also have the carbon can, so weld is not an issue there. The map, flies out, was not spot on for me. It was running rich enough to where I feared the plugs getting fouled. A custom map fixed this instantly---as with every pipe, it has to be tuned for each bike. The Customer service from Brock was the best I've ever dealt with. As far as my next purchase....I'd have to do more research on other alternatives.
The thing I like about my Gen3...It lopes like a heavy cammed 350 Chevy. Very sweet sound that is not obnoxious, and it sounds like thunder.
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Bently
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posted September 10, 2006 11:48 AM
The welds on my brock smeg are top notch and I'm picky. Plus what other system gives you the map support Borck does. And my bike is spot on. If you run 1/4 mile most tuners will tell you, you should pick up 30mph from 1/8 to 1/4 and I'm usally 29.7 to 30.2 in the back half.
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lietoome
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posted September 10, 2006 11:56 AM
I wonder if Hindle does the welding on the SMEGs....
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Bently
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posted September 10, 2006 12:13 PM
I'm pretty sure Hindle does the welding on every Brock system.
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stevewfl
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posted September 10, 2006 01:05 PM
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I'm pretty sure Hindle does the welding on every Brock system.
+1 it appears Brock's design, Hindle's manufacturing
I'm happy with my Gen3....dunno about the above mentioned outfit.
Sounds like someone on some thread is hyping that exhaust moreso than a "winning" penny stock in the AOL "Investment" chat room though lmao
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smokinZX14
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posted September 10, 2006 02:15 PM
Well guys i'm a cheap old guy and i got the Muzzy ss/ oval can ..The pipe looks great, sounds great and kicks ass on the street and track ...Just ask the guys behind me ...lol...  point is whay pay 1000+ when you can get one for 650 ...
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Bently
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posted September 10, 2006 02:20 PM
Smokin your times are way good, but I always wonder what you would run with Brock system with a good map, you might be surprised. And if you take off the cost of a dyno tune session, the pipe prcie isn't all that bad. Your alot lighter then me but I've been over 150mph and 9.48 with no where as good of 60 ft as yours. I think you could put my bike in the 9.0's, wish we were closer you could try it!
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johns
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posted September 10, 2006 03:47 PM
pipe selection
I can't say anything about the performance of the Brock street oval pipe I purchased since I haven't installed it yet. The welds are excellent and I expect the performance to be as good or better than anything out there based on the feedback on the forums and the Hyabusas I have raced against with his systems. I can tell you about his service and support though after I purchased his pipe and a power commander. I have never had as much personal contact (e-mails & phone calls) with a owner/tuner of a performance motorcycle business as I have with Brock. I haven't needed to contact him because of problems with the product because there haven't been any. I have had tuning application related questions which Brock has personally responded to every time. You will remember the service and quality long after you have forgoten about the price.
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stevewfl
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posted September 10, 2006 04:03 PM
I tried to get a Muzzy originally, but thats a whole additional story in itself.....
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dubious
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posted September 10, 2006 04:33 PM
personally, Brocks pipe or the Ti force/ orient xpress pipes.....
In the past on previous bikes.......
In dyno's and rag evaluations, one was done by Lee, of Lee's performance,
I have seen these pipes rated highest .
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TeamSpeed
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posted September 10, 2006 04:39 PM
I've been waiting to see what all falls out of the aftermarket exhaust companies, and came down to either the Area P slipons for looks/sounds/quality or Brocks Street Gen for performance/weight/customer service. Yesterday I bought Brocks Carbon Street Gen, as I figured I would have regretted not getting a full system in the future. I had a Muzzy on my 12 and liked it, but probably more due to picking it up used with a PC3 and fan blade from somebody really cheap, than the quality/performance of the Muzzy.
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MasterBlaster
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posted September 10, 2006 04:54 PM
The Yoshi is looking good also. I will make do untill someone does a shootout with them all and we can find out which is top. Probably most full systems wont be that much different. In a few months it will be clear what works best....TB
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stevewfl
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posted September 10, 2006 05:53 PM
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I've been waiting to see what all falls out of the aftermarket exhaust companies, and came down to either the Area P slipons for looks/sounds/quality or Brocks Street Gen for performance/weight/customer service. Yesterday I bought Brocks Carbon Street Gen, as I figured I would have regretted not getting a full system in the future. I had a Muzzy on my 12 and liked it, but probably more due to picking it up used with a PC3 and fan blade from somebody really cheap, than the quality/performance of the Muzzy.
I got the gen3 in carbon flavor and don't regret it
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smokinZX14
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posted September 10, 2006 07:43 PM
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Smokin your times are way good, but I always wonder what you would run with Brock system with a good map, you might be surprised. And if you take off the cost of a dyno tune session, the pipe prcie isn't all that bad. Your alot lighter then me but I've been over 150mph and 9.48 with no where as good of 60 ft as yours. I think you could put my bike in the 9.0's, wish we were closer you could try it!
I would love to try your set up and see what happens.... I'm not sold on the P/C thing yet... Tonytooth is getting his bike custom tuned this week .... He lets me ride it to check out the up grades..Till i see and feel it the jury is still out on this P/C thing...smokin..
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FasterThanStink
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posted September 10, 2006 08:56 PM
Where the hell is Akrapovic? The sponsor Kawi in racing. You would think the S.S. slip ons they said they would be producing would be out by now.
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posted September 10, 2006 09:46 PM
If it weren't for the Bruce Slip-ons Htosado hooked me up with ,i might be going with the Brock's Smeg like my dad want's .
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BlueLIGHTning
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posted September 12, 2006 08:08 AM
My 2 centablos
I'm running Brock's Gen 3 exhaust and everything fit perfect first time around no adjustments needed. What sold me on the system was its light weight and customer service. Ya there probably is nicer looking pipes or maybe better quality but I know if i have a problem I can talk to the man himself!! I doubt your goin to get that with other manufactures, probably just some kid in customer service who might never even been on a bike trying to answer your questions. As for performance Brock seems to test and run his pipes on the track so how can you beat that for testing. As for who makes the most power, hell 2 or 3 hp either way is not goin to make a difference in my life because on the street I'll probably never test this bike to its full potential. In Valentino Rossi's world 2 or 3 hp might make a difference I doubt in the street it matters that much.
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chunter
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posted September 14, 2006 05:07 AM
All the pipes are gonna make within a few hp of each other it comes down to the torque curve, build quality, personal preference on look/fit, etc.
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dubious
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posted September 14, 2006 08:23 PM
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If it weren't for the Bruce Slip-ons Htosado hooked me up with ,i might be going with the Brock's Smeg like my dad want's .
I really love the sound of the smeg.
Get tons of compliments on the sound, so others must like it too.
Since installing it I removed my horn, my horn is my wrist!
actually when I want to be quiet, I lug the motor down, and it purrs.
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Ojref
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posted September 18, 2006 10:49 AM
I guess the next big question is, smegnaphone or canister.... How's the low end torque with the smegnaphone? Any losses? How about the top end?
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tnzx14
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posted September 18, 2006 11:56 AM
 Edited By: tnzx14 on 18 Sep 2006 13:02
I have the Tsugiki stainless Titanum on my ZX14 and it took all or less than 3 hours to have it on and back on the street, I had to make no mods to the plastic at all and it does make a great difference in the sound over the stock system. I do have a few more mods to go then off to the dyno.
The reason they make so many different units and types is because no two people like exactly the same thing. Sure it may sound great on your buddies bike but after a while you may not like it on yours.
Get what you want. Sure listen to other bikes but its your bike so make it part of you!
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flatoutbu
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posted September 18, 2006 12:19 PM
Unless you run a sidewinder you shouldn't have to cut any plastic. I wanted the Tsugiki at first but, they wouldn't get off there ass's and get some shipped out to the states....oh well...Brock got my money and I'm happy.
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