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posted September 03, 2006 02:25 PM
 Edited By: htosado on 3 Sep 2006 15:31
Full-tilt ride today!!!!!
What a fun day!!! Thanks to Kerry the ride went well. We had two Busa's, a ZX10, a Honda VFR, my 14, and a BMW (similar to the police bike. Ther was a turbo Supra with approx. 900 hp.
Race one was me and the 1st Busa. We rolled on at 50mph and he jumped out in front of me, I hit my limiter early in the first 3 gears (10,500rpm), but could not real him in. He didn't run away, but I couldn't make up the distance.
I decided to take one for the team and allow Kerry to race with my bike. I really wanted to see what someone with the same weight (180 ish) could do, as opposed to my 240 and my jacket acted as a parachute at speed. He took the Busa by quite a bit off the line, but the Busa was able to reel him in at top speed due to my lower gearing. The results were the same on two seperate runs.
Next was the Zx14 against the Supra. The 14 took a large lead, and according to the Supra owner "that was the toughest race I've had yet". He said the 14 took a 5 car length lead and could only reel it in at top speed.
The last race with my bike was a ZX10 vs the ZX14. I again allowed Kerry to race my bike, but I probably should have raced myself as he was about my weight. The 14 took the race, but I believe it would be closer if I was racing. Thats a 60 pound difference, and the 10 rider had a great bike and could ride.
Several other races took place, but not with the 14. I thought these would be good to hear on this site.
Kerry, thank you again, and I hope you enjoyed riding with me and invite me again. All of the riders today were good people, and I hope to ride with them again.
Again these are actual numbers, and results with no bias one way or the next.
That was a few more Bikeland.org members I've had the pleasure to meet.
  
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fastestbusaaround
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posted September 03, 2006 02:58 PM
Nice! The Supra should have beat ya with that kind of power, unless he couldn't drive...he should pull 8's easy with 900 HP...
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posted September 03, 2006 03:04 PM
One more thing -- what mod's did the Busa have or say he didn't? 
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posted September 03, 2006 05:45 PM
very cool! I'll check in with fulltilt in a few days and see what he has to say
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posted September 03, 2006 06:04 PM
Busa only had exhaust (don't know if it was full or slip-ons). The vehicles seemed to be a bit restricted from the altitude. I had to clutch it just to wheelie in first!!!! down here I can pop it in the first three on only throttle. I think an aftermarket air filter would help.
The Supra guy told me 900, but lost traction with too much boost. I think why we did roll-ons from 50mph.
Fish, Kerry is a good guy, and "D" was there also.
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posted September 03, 2006 07:49 PM
Yep - good times.
Supra owner could drive but he did not have full boost due to byapssing through a coupler - said he only had it up to around 25 pounds of boost and could turn it up another 10 with the fuel he was running. Also need to note that he was on street tires,
The Busa was 4-1 exhaust, mapped and some race fuel - owner was saying 165 on the dyno but that sounds a lil "soft".
I have no need for a 14 or a Busa as the 10 made it's point very well against all there - especially haulin my 230 (no gear) pound ass around as well as it did. So mebbe when I get serious about some more HP - a full header and PC will unlock another 5-10HP and further solidify the 10 as the lil liter bike that could (then I could lose some weight and REALLY be fast).
The 14 vs 10 run was the 180 pound rider on the 14 vs the 230 pound rider on the 10 - the 14 never jumped on me and never got more than mebbe 3-4 lengths on me at the top end. I was pretty surprised. I will say that I do beleive the sprocket change did not help that 14 and that my 10 is 2 up on the rear.
When the Busa and the 10 both ran with same weight riders - it was surprisingly close apparently.
Overall a great day - no blood, no foul.
Good ta meet the guy who took so much shit from so many here too.
Just wish Mexico wasn't so freakin hot.
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posted September 03, 2006 08:44 PM
Hey D, I mentioned the weight difference, and I think it would have been closer me against you. My gear changes have more of an advantage off the line, not on the top end. It was all about top end today. I also tuned my suspension for turning, which never gets me over 170. Although it did well enough to 168.
Did you see the 500hp zx10 on the Muzzy site? Then you'd take them all!!!!
I should have ran more. I'd enjoy riding with you sometime if you want to.
Mexico.....DIDO!!!!!
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posted September 04, 2006 02:48 PM
Just got back to BC after a great day of riding yesterday. Impressive vehicles and good company. I'll post up some photos, etc. and my accounting of the proceedings in the next few days.
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posted September 04, 2006 03:04 PM
http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386897
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posted September 04, 2006 06:58 PM
I think Fulltilt had it right with my bike. I think the rwhp numbers are more to the 173-176 range. The more opinions I get from experienced riders, the more those ring true.
It does really well up to 168 though. If I get a second chance, I want to go back to the stock gearing and compare.
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posted September 04, 2006 07:27 PM
Tostito, gearing has no bearing on horsepower.
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posted September 04, 2006 07:40 PM
Exactly...all it does is cause the motor to run through the gears faster by getting the engine into it's power band sooner all the way through the band, which makes the bike run through it's powerband faster. The overall effect is one that feels like you have more power, and will make the bike accelarate faster, but drop your top speed some. Leave your gearing the way it is and don't waste your time, just ride it and enjoy it.
Who cares about top speed in the street anyway, most of us don't live there...
BTW, just saw a 1650 Busa hit 214 on the salt flats at Bonneville on Discovery...
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posted September 04, 2006 09:01 PM
I know that much, I want to go faster than 168. The ride we were doing was all about 50mph and above. My bike pulled everyone until 168, I could have done better.
I love my geariing in the canyons. I can ride hard, fast, and quick acceleration out of my turns.
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posted September 04, 2006 09:12 PM
That's the trade off tosado... you pulled on them because of your gearing... and your top speed was slower because of your gearing... The bike sounds like it is what you want for most of your riding. Keep it the way it is... unless you want to just get the top speed. my .02..
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posted September 04, 2006 09:20 PM
or unless you're prepared to do the ZXBob thing...$$$$
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posted September 05, 2006 10:18 PM
Just FYI, here is another perspective on the same runs.
http://www.suzukihayabusa.org/forum/index.php?topic=81714.0
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posted September 05, 2006 10:24 PM
Edited By: dubious on 5 Sep 2006 23:27
Torque multiplication doods.
lower gearing.
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posted September 05, 2006 11:17 PM
Edited By: htosado on 6 Sep 2006 00:23
Fulltilt, I only raced him once, my first race of the day. I was no faint dot in the mirror. I was right on his right tail side. The write up is purely to boost Busa's not for a "clear perspective". As far as my lack of throttle, I reached the limit of the bike on that run, and throttled down.
That writing mocks my riding, and the 14. Was that what the ride was about?
How about next time we do off the line races, no roll ons and see the "clear outcome". My bike is set up for such a run. I can get my "Fat ass" to launch very well and creat a great gap he could not "reel me in" from.
I let you race with my bike to see not rider skill level, but 60 pound weight difference and no parachute jacket how my bike would do.
Please let him know what I wrote and my dissapointment.
If he had such a poor opinion of my riding skill level, he should say it to my face. Instead to be nice, then trash me and my bike after is an insult.
If all you wanted was a 14 bash session, you should be upfront and direct. Don't tell me you wanted to find "an honest and clear outcome",
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posted September 06, 2006 09:01 AM
HT,
Personally, I enjoyed having you out on Sunday. I meant it when I thanked you for coming out and conducting yourself well. I'm sorry you take offense to Danno's post. I'll talk to him about it. I've found that despite having a good day with good people, sometimes after the fact, people get worked up. It is a drag, but true. Most often, the negativity starts with someone from outside the group antagonizing someone else.
My goal is always to represent what happened with a minimum of editorial comment. I try and simply say, "this is what happened". This tends to keep the egos in check and lets the results speak for themselve. There isn't much mystery when the camera clearly shows the proceedings. The car would have won every run - if they both stayed in the throttle long enough. GPS'ing 196on that day meant that Brad would have chased all of us down given sufficient tarmac.
I agree the jacket wasn't helping your aero's either - though I think your bike might have pulled you close to the same speed as me because I ran out of gear instead of power; there was some left in reserve. As far as the beanie goes, you know my feelings. I don't think they belong on rider's heads. You have a family (as do I); wear it for them if not yourself. I'm uncomfortable seeing anyone wear them - especially friends.
Perhaps at the next get together, you and Danno can shake hands and make a few runs together - with stock gearing.
As far my opinion goes, I could care less who or what is the fastest. My interests lie in seeing close or unique matchups where the results either support or suprise a predicted outcome. You probably heard 'the talk' I gave at the start where I mentioned what the results would probably be. There were no significant surprises on that day. Perhaps the biggest surprise is how well the ZX10 accounted for itself.
I'd hope that your standing in your bike community would be enhanced - rather than harmed - by coming out to play.
Again, I thank you for participating. Don't take internet drivel personally.
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posted September 06, 2006 09:08 AM
Besides alla that - the video(s) will speak for themselves.
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htosado
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posted September 06, 2006 10:04 AM
the zx10 is one of my favorite bikes.
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posted September 06, 2006 10:15 AM
I'm just too big for that now.
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posted September 06, 2006 10:30 AM
Bean cap is honestly due to serious closterphobia issues. I have a hard time wearing them, and I won't quit riding. It's a catch 22.
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posted September 06, 2006 11:46 AM
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[qoute]Perhaps at the next get together, you and Danno can shake hands and make a few runs together - with stock gearing.
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don't use stock gearing....... use "optimal" gearing and if you want to shake his hand thats fine but just keep in mind that his "goal" is to prove that he/ his bike is faster than you/ your bike...... carry on.
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posted September 06, 2006 02:47 PM
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[qoute]Perhaps at the next get together, you and Danno can shake hands and make a few runs together - with stock gearing.
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don't use stock gearing....... use "optimal" gearing and if you want to shake his hand thats fine but just keep in mind that his "goal" is to prove that he/ his bike is faster than you/ your bike...... carry on.
It is apparent that you don't know Danno. He could care less what is 'faster'. HT and Danno swapped rides for fun and both came away impressed.
The ego is a nasty bug.
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