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posted August 12, 2006 11:57 PM        Edited By: fish_antlers on 13 Aug 2006 11:13
So you think locks are safe? Think again. Totally unbelievable


right click save as to download vid.... long download but worth it.. you wont believe it...



http://www.toool.nl/index-eng.php

http://www.toool.nl/bumping.pdf




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posted August 13, 2006 03:57 AM        
pretty neat!!

i just ebay'd bump keys and u can get them!!

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posted August 13, 2006 04:02 AM        
You can be in the middle of bumping the lock and people may see you, maybe say something and all you have to say is my key is stuck!!!

Someone may help you too
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posted August 13, 2006 04:02 AM        
aint that the truth!
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posted August 13, 2006 04:03 AM        
and i am guessing that it wont work on double sided keys!!
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posted August 13, 2006 04:33 AM        Edited By: Ozzy on 13 Aug 2006 05:36
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and i am guessing that it wont work on double sided keys!!


Most double sided keys only actuate one set of tumblers, the double side is only for convienience, not security.
My daughter had a custom key cut for her FZR600. The bike had a ignition lock that was keyed differrent than the seat lock. She had each side of a single key cut to the specific lock. She took some nail polish and painted one half of both sides of the key head to designate which way up for which lock. Worked great.

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posted August 13, 2006 08:45 AM        
having worked in a dealership for decades this is not news to me but very interesting none the less....

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posted August 13, 2006 09:58 AM        
ya.. well it's news to a lot of people and a lot of lock companies are freaking out...

if you watch the vid you'll see that you can make the key yourself.
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posted August 13, 2006 10:55 AM        
Thanks Fish...!
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posted August 13, 2006 11:11 AM        
Pish. Nothing you can buy is a high security lock. Real high security locks feature sequential key mechanisms, etc...
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posted August 13, 2006 12:39 PM        
This is why I have an alarm system as well as a lock.
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posted August 13, 2006 12:50 PM        
Scorpio?
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posted August 13, 2006 12:58 PM        
Yup. Works very well.
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posted August 13, 2006 01:24 PM        
Thanks fish. If I catch a burgular in my house he won't be breaking into anybody elses. Gators need to eat too you know!

If a professional wants your shit you are fucked no matter how careful you are.
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posted August 13, 2006 01:41 PM        
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If a professional wants your shit you are fucked no matter how careful you are.



Ding ding ding!!! We have a winner. Locks only keep honest people honest.

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posted August 13, 2006 01:45 PM        
Oh yeah, thanks for posting the links Fish. Good info.
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posted August 13, 2006 02:15 PM        
OK, enough. I'm not feeling safe any more. By the way,

http://www.toool.nl/bumping.pdf

And it's in english!

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posted August 13, 2006 03:45 PM        
time to tie the door to the shotgun with some string
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posted August 13, 2006 04:10 PM        
In the PDF they said this technique has been known fo 50 years. See page 3 of the PDF.
Lots of thefts are thefts of opportunity.Locks and alarms slow a thief down, no matter how good they are. It may not prevent theft, but given a choice of a locked and alarmed bike sitting next to an unlocked bike, the thief will go for the easy fast take.
As was stated if a real pro sets his sights on your bike have good insurance. It will be gone.
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posted August 13, 2006 04:26 PM        
The part that got me was when they said it is hard to detect, and insurance companies will not pay if there is no sign of a forced entry...
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posted August 13, 2006 11:20 PM        
Voz, then you know what to do then...
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posted August 14, 2006 01:46 AM        
FTS - Same here. Optional ignition kill and perimeter sensor as well.

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posted August 14, 2006 06:17 AM        
I have dial up so i couldnt watch the vid but if its what i'm thinking it is, it's not hard to do. There is a differance between pin tumbler locks and wafer locks. Pin tumbler is 99.9% of your home and commerical locks and wafer locks are car and motorcycle. To be honest with a proper key blank and alittle force you can turn just about any wafer lock. It breaks the wafers and allows the plug to turn. i have been a locksmith for almost 13 years now so i have seen it all. I have broke into everything from bank vaults to 7 series bmw's.
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fish_antlers


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posted August 14, 2006 09:06 AM        
download the PDF.. it's dialup friendly
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posted August 14, 2006 08:06 PM        
I sell doors/hardware for a living. Schools, churches, jails, etc. There is NO lock sold that will withstand normal tools bought at a store. I can be through a "pick proof" ASSA mortise cylinder in under 30 seconds with a 1/8" bit followed by a 1/2" bit. I can't pick anything but a weiser or a qwikset (90% of household locksets ) so if someone looses their keys at a school I show up with a 18V Milwaukee drill, and an extra key cylinder.

Dewalt cordless 18V cutoff tool. 3 batteries will cut through anthing.
Milwaukee 18V metal cutting circular saw. Will cut a square out of a 16 ga steel door like it's nothing.

Stihl TS400, will cut a safe in 1/2 - Noisey but effective - nuff said.

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