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posted July 24, 2006 09:37 AM
No flies on me!!!! Finally!!!!
Thanks to Busa (Hard to believe) I finally got my Flies out. Took me about an hour and a half (not so good with the body panals) but I got um.
For anyone who hasn't taken them out DO IT!!!!! Now the bike plays with me. Before, I hated lag time whenever I got on it. Much less now!!! Beat litres with ease like never before.
Plans- T1 exhaust ( I think), Power commander.
Has anyone seen the dual superchargers for this bike, adding 25 hp each? Pretty cool, just wondering if they work? If so, I'm getting those as well.
  
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posted July 24, 2006 10:08 AM
You need to get a power commander on there. My A/F's were 17.14 to 1 with the flies out......tha's bad...real bad. My gas mileage went to poop too. Anything under 3500 it was crap...maybe 10mpg. Alittle tip about the body panels...i take 2 cordless drills with cut off allen wrenchs and use them to pull the body off and on. I have done it a million times and can get the bike taken apart in about 5 minutes.....ya lost me on the supercharger though.
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posted July 24, 2006 10:12 AM
 Edited By: TeamSpeed on 24 Jul 2006 11:14
I have a 1/4" hex socket set, and will be picking up a 1/4" adapter to use on my drill. Sounds like a great way to do this.
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posted July 24, 2006 04:44 PM
an 8" screwdriver is plenty
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flatoutbu
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posted July 25, 2006 09:40 AM
the body not the flies htosado...it works great..saves alot of time.
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posted July 25, 2006 09:43 AM
Edited By: dubious on 25 Jul 2006 10:44
I concurr, my cordless has torque settings, so i set it up and go to town.
Your right, stripped down in about 5 mins.
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htosado
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posted July 25, 2006 09:44 AM
I suck at the body. That took me forever.
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fastestbusaaround
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posted July 25, 2006 09:59 AM
Flatbou...your mileage dropped ? Mine went up from 32 mpg to 36...(bike is mapped correctly)
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posted July 25, 2006 10:05 AM
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Thanks to Busa (Hard to believe) I finally got my Flies out. Took me about an hour and a half (not so good with the body panals) but I got um.
For anyone who hasn't taken them out DO IT!!!!! Now the bike plays with me. Before, I hated lag time whenever I got on it. Much less now!!! Beat litres with ease like never before.
Plans- T1 exhaust ( I think), Power commander.
Has anyone seen the dual superchargers for this bike, adding 25 hp each? Pretty cool, just wondering if they work? If so, I'm getting those as well.
Who has the superchargers? What type of weight do they add and how tough is the install on them...? Flatbou is right...you have to map the bike now or worry about pistons burning.
If you go with a 4-2-1 exhaust, you lose about 28 lbs (need to soften the rear suspension once you do that)...and if you go down a tooth in the front to 16...you get even more punch...might not be as quick as S/C's, but still very impressive. S/C's can be a pain in the ass...sometimes not worth the cost or effort...you might just make up what you need with cams/heads/pistons etc...and might be less costly. I'd wait before doing anything more, just because there will be a lot of aftermarket solutions in the next 6 months...
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htosado
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posted July 25, 2006 10:49 AM
Makes sense. I didn't touch my bike for the first 1500 miles, but I've been getting crazy lately. I need to think it through more, thats why I ask.
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posted July 25, 2006 11:04 AM
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Has anyone seen the dual superchargers for this bike, adding 25 hp each? Pretty cool, just wondering if they work? If so, I'm getting those as well.
Can you tell us where you saw these superchargers? It's been asked several times now in this thread... you've peaked everyone's interest... now come clean!
Where, who, how... pictures, links, articles... give us the goods.
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htosado
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posted July 25, 2006 11:05 AM
Wait, I'm confused. Removing flies means you need immediate re-map? My bike rides nice, and has good mileage, is there something I'm missing?
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posted July 25, 2006 11:06 AM
Edited By: zerMATT on 25 Jul 2006 12:07
Oh, I found it...
Gregory Price Williams installng a pair of hair dryers inline with the intake.
Need I say more? Topic closed. 
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htosado
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posted July 25, 2006 11:13 AM
Do they work?
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posted July 25, 2006 11:17 AM
htosado, your engine is running VERY lean at cruising speeds now...mileage will no doubt be better because it uses less gas...but that isn't the problem...since it is running so lean, you can burn the pistons without any prior effect or notice...long term, you will damage your engine. See Brock's comments in his thread on this...
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posted July 25, 2006 11:20 AM
Edited By: SoCal ZX-14 Rider on 25 Jul 2006 12:30
Horchata, TAKE HEED !!!
This flys out thing has been done in many threads and covered by Brock, I can't remember where the thread is but find it or email him and ask, he addressed the issue square on.
Very dangerous to take out flys and run that lean!!!!
Or if you want, run it and let us know what the new engine costs.
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posted July 25, 2006 11:22 AM
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posted July 25, 2006 12:25 PM
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Do they work?
Dunno. Have you seen any 3rd party dyno results? All I've seen is GPW advertising, which isn't of any value...
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posted July 25, 2006 12:35 PM
He tested them, the e-force superchargers on a Busa, no change. They are no longer for sale. Interesting idea, too bad it didn't work
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posted July 25, 2006 12:42 PM
On another note...removing the flies on the 10R causes the bike to run richer...that after re-Dyno'ing yesterday.
AFR's of 12/11:1 pull harder on the road than 13:1. This was proved to me yesterday when we re-tuned with AFR's of 13.2:1. I rode 75 miles and found much more popping on decel with the leaner maps and the bike was sluggish on the low end. When I reloaded the flies in map which on the Dyno (flies in) was 13.1 and flies out was 11.5-12.1...the bike ran way better (on the road) with less peak power. I don't know why the mix got richer by removing the flies, but it did and now that I've reloaded the richer map, the bike does run much better and pulls much harder...
I am told by the tuner who tunes and works for one of the CDN Superbike racers, that this particular racer runs his bike quite rich on the track and gets much better performance as opposed to an AFR of 13.1:1. He runs with AFR's of 11.1 or lower.
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posted July 25, 2006 12:51 PM
Thanks for the stats. Guess I'll just wait until my power commander arrives.
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posted July 25, 2006 01:14 PM
The thing I'm not getting is that Ivan's TRE, which supposedly opens the valves at #K instead of 7K should create this alleged dangerous lean condition, also, right? Ivan has stated that there is no dangerous lean condition down low with the TRE, so wouldn't that mean that removing the flies is okay??? Also, I think Ojref tested his A/F ratios and found no difference flies-in/flies-out...speaking about an otherwise stock ZX14 here, of course...
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posted July 25, 2006 01:18 PM
Mines bone stock, because I'm undecided on certain upgrades.
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posted July 25, 2006 01:59 PM
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Mines bone stock, because I'm undecided on certain upgrades.
OMG - Htosado, I cant keep up with your posts!
First at the beginning of the thread you say you just took your flys out.
Then later in the thread "quote" you say you havent done it yet.
Which is it??????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ARE YOU MAKING THIS STUFF UP OR WHAT?
POST A PIC OF YOUR BIKE SO WE CAN SEE IF YOU EVEN HAVE ONE!
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posted July 25, 2006 02:06 PM
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Thanks for the stats. Guess I'll just wait until my power commander arrives.
And why do you have another thread in this forum saying you want to know where the cheapest Power Commander is when up above in this thread you say"quote" your waiting for your Power Commander to arrive?
If I'm being critical I apoligize but this is confusing!
Maybe I'm reading this stuff wrong.
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