nabrxx
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posted July 18, 2006 02:03 PM
what about slipons?
Lots of you folks have put entire exhaust systems on the 14, remapped it ,dynoed it.What about slipons?...cheap,easy,....less hassle?or do the slipons give you so little its not worth it?
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Xtremespeed
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posted July 18, 2006 03:13 PM
Slip-on's mostly good for sound. The full system not only gives more power, but also eliminates a pretty good chunk of weight.
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raptor14
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posted July 18, 2006 03:25 PM
1. REASONS FOR SLIP-ONS: (a) you like the 2 can look on the bike, (b) you want something that sounds more like a motorcycle should, (c) you want a minor weight reduction, and (d) you're happy with the performance you have cause you most likely won't get much more
2. REASONS FOR A 4+2+1 FULL EXHAUST SYSTEM: (a) you want to maximize your performance improvement, (b) you want to maximize your weight reduction (c) you want something that sounds like a motorcycle should, (d) you want to have easier access for lubing the chain.
ADDITIONAL OPINIONS:
1. Although it has been stated that will not need to remap the 14 with slip-ons that has never been my experience with other bikes. Slip-ons still leaned the bike out so I would recommend a PC with either slip-ons or a 4+2+1. So no $ saved by eliminating the need for the PC.
2. You need TWO slip-ons. Cans are not cheap. The price of two cans approaches the price you would pay for a 4+2+1 exhaust system and you don't get the weight and performance benefits. Then again, maybe I just always bought expensive cans.
NET RESULT: Not that big a cost difference between slip-ons and 4+2+1 and you need a PC for both options. Unless you just have to have the 2 can look, spend the extra $ and go with a full 4+2+1. Best performance, lowest weight, easier access to chain.
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big easy
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posted July 18, 2006 03:32 PM
Now, how about the negatives of the two? Less "motorcycle sound"? Less attractive? Bike looks like it's missing something? How much less weight? Ease of installation? Cost of installation? More money and a few hundred more depending on the brand?
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raptor14
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posted July 18, 2006 03:47 PM
GOOD POINT big easy.
1. I have Brock's Gen 3 installed. See http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=27&TID=25132&set_time= for the weight reduction relative to the stock pipes. The stock cans+mid-pipes weighed 14.5 pounds each. Weight improvement for slip-ons is dependant upon the weight of the slip-on and mid-pipe that you buy.
2. Slip-ons definitely easier to install. 30 minutes + 30-45 minutes extra if you get a PC. With the PC you still have to pull some fairings. If you install the full system the fairings are pulled and its 15 minutes extra to install the PC.
3. Took me 4 hours to install the full system including time for lunch, talking with friends, taking pictures of each installation step. Lot's of wasted time. However, I had pulled the fairings before so I knew what I was doing. If you have not ever pulled the fairings AND you do not have the service manual, it will take you a while to figure out the fairings. They're pretty easy, but there's a few hidden screws.
4. Sound is dependent upon the exhaust system. I don't know that there is that much difference in net sound between installing the same can as a dual slip-ons or as a single-can. Some cans are loud, some are quite. Thus the "less motorcycle sound" isn't an issue. You can tailor the sound as you want by buying a specific brand. I guess a 4+2+1 may impose more limits than slip-ons.
5. If this Dr. Yosh character is real, then there might be some PC maps for a Yosh slip-on systems. But I think slip-on PC maps are few and far between. That will change as time goes on.
6. Did the installation myself. Only added cost was Permatex Copper sealant. Tools are limited. If you have a screwdriver, socket set, and allen wrench set, you're ready to go. If not, you need them anyway so go out and buy them. Actually the allen wrenches are already in the ZX-14 tool kit. Don't need to buy them.
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k bryant
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posted July 18, 2006 05:05 PM
http://www.areapnolimits.com/exhaust/zx14.html
Slip-Ons. No mapping change. Save about 16 lbs of weight (8 lbs per muffler). See dyno chart. 5 hp gain. Member special - $495 in polished stainless steel. $695 with carbon fiber mufflers. Your choice of muffler length and/or core diameter.
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posted July 18, 2006 06:01 PM
Akrapovic Baby.
Screw the rest. 
I'm just chomping at the bit to see the first 14 here with an Akra once they release it.
No offense, but the Muzzy/Brocks/Hindle have never done it for me.
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da blk 1
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posted July 18, 2006 09:33 PM
nabrxx ..... look at this thread
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=27&TID=24862&set_time=
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TJ
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posted July 18, 2006 09:39 PM
Link help...
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=27&TID=24862&set_time=
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da blk 1
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posted July 19, 2006 06:59 AM
TJ
thanks for the help
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DR Yosh
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posted July 19, 2006 07:53 AM
I have yoshimura slipon maps for our 16inch slipons,the difference between mapped and unmapped is 4bhp down low ,mid range the same,top is about 2.2-2.6bhp extra it does help .But you can run slipons with a stock ecu without any hassle but once you change the air filter then you must really get a piggy back system fitted.
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14black
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posted July 19, 2006 08:00 AM
quote:
5. If this Dr. Yosh character is real......................................
Is there actually a real possibility that that FREAK is real?!?!?!?!?!?!
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MasterBlaster
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posted July 19, 2006 09:00 AM
If you already have the cans, it is a cheap solution. I run a set of recycled D&Ds on the stock header and mid pipe. I like the look of the twin cans, and the weight loss isstill significant. Now if I was buying, It would be a full system, probably Brocks street Meg. As is I just got back from a week in the Rockies and performance was great to 14,000+ feet, and gas mileage was good at 45+, so dont think I will change soon. This was with no flies and PC3.....TB
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big easy
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posted July 19, 2006 04:38 PM
 Edited By: big easy on 19 Jul 2006 18:05
What pipe would you guys say has the deepest tone? Not the loudest but the deapest. A former neighbor of mine had a Busa that when he cranked it before my wife and I knew he had it, we thought that it was thundering outside. Seriously. And his house was two down the block. I rode it and I could only say, damn! I am not sure what he had on it but that thing sounded bad. If not for the looks, I would have had one. I believe the exhaust was an Akra but I am not sure because there were so many Busa's by him that I might be confused. Anyway, I am not sure if I want the deepest but I do want to know which one is because I like deep sounding exhaust. What exhust do you guys think would give the 14 the deepest tone?
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