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posted July 17, 2006 09:54 AM
ZX14 vs. 'Busa, again...
motorcycle-usa.com has a comparo between the 14 and 'Busa. Bottom line: 14 won all, except handling in the tight stuff (I agree w/that.) and low-end torque (And we have the answer for that.). The 14 had more hp, torque, better comfort, wind protection, brakes, acceleration, etc. Stuff we already know.
They called the road test portion a draw, saying the 'Busa was sharper in the tight stuff, but the 14 was better in the sweepers. What happened to the brakes, comfort, wind protection, etc.? Does that not count in a road test?! Sounds like they're having a hard time dethroning the 'Busa. Rightfully so, I reckon. It's been a good bike, for a long time.
But...Time's up!
  
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dbeadling
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posted July 17, 2006 10:04 AM
suzuki pays alot of money for ads in magazines... money that the mags dont want to lose
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posted July 17, 2006 10:17 AM
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I subscribe to both Cycle World and Motorcyclist. I can't seem to figure out why there are no side by side tests against the Hayabusa. It seems that the 'busa has been put against everything in the past. We get the 14 against the FZ1, but nothing else. So the real question is: Does Suzuki refuse to provide the bikes for the tests? Or are the magazines protecting their business? I am assuming that the magazines don't purchase these to do the tests. Thanks.
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posted July 17, 2006 10:23 AM
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I subscribe to both Cycle World and Motorcyclist. I can't seem to figure out why there are no side by side tests against the Hayabusa. It seems that the 'busa has been put against everything in the past. We get the 14 against the FZ1, but nothing else. So the real question is: Does Suzuki refuse to provide the bikes for the tests? Or are the magazines protecting their business? I am assuming that the magazines don't purchase these to do the tests. Thanks.
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posted July 17, 2006 10:30 AM
Now that is the question that I have!
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posted July 17, 2006 10:37 AM
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I subscribe to both Cycle World and Motorcyclist. I can't seem to figure out why there are no side by side tests against the Hayabusa. It seems that the 'busa has been put against everything in the past. We get the 14 against the FZ1, but nothing else. So the real question is: Does Suzuki refuse to provide the bikes for the tests? Or are the magazines protecting their business? I am assuming that the magazines don't purchase these to do the tests. Thanks.
fz1 and zx14 what the fuck is that? in next page have one page of busa by itself . chicken shit. 
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posted July 17, 2006 10:43 AM
I disagree with the handling in the tight stuff. I owned two busa's and I can ride the14 much faster in the tight stuff than the busa. Also if your in tight downhill turns the busa is so nose heavy it's not funny. The 14 is not!
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posted July 17, 2006 11:03 AM
I've had both, as well. I think the 'Busa handled better in the tight stuff. The 14 feels long and soft. The 'Busa required more effort, but the suspension seemed sharper and played along better, if you put forth the effort.
Then, again, it's been 3 or 4 years since the 'Busa, and I haven't firmed up the 14 suspension yet. Been messing w/the other mods., and riding! Gotta' get to that...
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posted July 17, 2006 11:24 AM
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I subscribe to both Cycle World and Motorcyclist. I can't seem to figure out why there are no side by side tests against the Hayabusa. It seems that the 'busa has been put against everything in the past. We get the 14 against the FZ1, but nothing else. So the real question is: Does Suzuki refuse to provide the bikes for the tests? Or are the magazines protecting their business? I am assuming that the magazines don't purchase these to do the tests. Thanks.
Suzuki Ad money I suspect??
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posted July 17, 2006 11:40 AM
Kawi pays for their ads, as well. I certainly don't know who pays what, but I doubt that's it.
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dbeadling
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posted July 17, 2006 12:04 PM
count the ads ...suzuki wins two to one
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warbird
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posted July 17, 2006 12:20 PM
Soooo..........what about a ZX14-ZX12 comparo? Eveyone compares the 14 to the Busa.........how about the 12R???? 
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posted July 17, 2006 12:32 PM
warbird
Soooo..........what about a ZX14-ZX12 comparo? Eveyone compares the 14 to the Busa.........how about the 12R????
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Why not compare it to the gsxr1100 or the honda cb750?
Answer= zx12 is not sold in the states and these are us mags, the 12 is dead to the mags.
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posted July 17, 2006 12:38 PM
"Why not compare it to the gsxr1100 or the honda cb750?
Answer= zx12 is not sold in the states and these are us mags, the 12 is dead to the mags."
So we can only compare 06's to 06's??? A 14/12 comparo would be very interesting.........
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posted July 17, 2006 12:44 PM
"We get the 14 against the FZ1, but nothing else."
Exactly my point.............wouldn't that have been a little more interesting if it was the 14 against the 12??
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shawnski
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posted July 17, 2006 01:33 PM
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"We get the 14 against the FZ1, but nothing else."
Exactly my point.............wouldn't that have been a little more interesting if it was the 14 against the 12??
how about zx14 and bandit? i like to see that!!!
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posted July 17, 2006 01:48 PM
Most people on this board are former 12 owners............
Since they didn't do a head to head with the Busa.........don't you think the 12 would have been the next logical choice? ( instead of an FZ1? )
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posted July 17, 2006 01:59 PM
Gosh... I have said on here many times that the Hayabusa was pretty nimble.. but I would take the 14 in the corners any day. I don't just say that because I have the 14... I just got rid of the Busa... and I was able to compare them... I suppose it depends on what the "pro" testers were looking for... Maybe I didn't push the BUsa hard enough or something... but I am a lot more comfortable , and able to go faster in tight corners with the 14. Getting out of them 'Stock" is a different story... that is why I did the flies removal. Well I am glad to see that the 14 is getting a more fair approach than the 12 did. I personally am not into the head to head comparisons. I remember several years ago the zx9 was called, "slow and oudated for this class". Yet it ran the fastest 1/4 mile time and was only a couple tenths slower in the track laps that they did??!! I can't remember the exact dates or anything... just the fact that when I read the article I assumed the 9 was nasty... and then I looked at the test results and got a differant story. Also, I have ridden several CBR1100xx's and was impressed with how smooth they were. I only got a few short rides. You guys that have/had the XX... what is your comparison?? I remember being knocked out at how smooth the XX was. Now I ride this and think it is about the same?
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posted July 17, 2006 02:59 PM
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count the ads ...suzuki wins two to one
I'll take your word for it (The gist, anyway...)...
I just read an article in one of the mags. in Barnes and Noble yesterday. "Bike," maybe? Anyway, they compared the ZX14, ZX12, and ZX10. It was fairly interesting. About what you'd expect. Dyno charts, times, etc. Sorry, I can't remember which mag. it was. I went through a bunch of them waiting for my movie to start...Check out the book stores for overseas mags. It'll be there somewhere.
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posted July 17, 2006 03:07 PM
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Gosh... I have said on here many times that the Hayabusa was pretty nimble.. but I would take the 14 in the corners any day. I don't just say that because I have the 14... I just got rid of the Busa... and I was able to compare them... I suppose it depends on what the "pro" testers were looking for... Maybe I didn't push the BUsa hard enough or something... but I am a lot more comfortable , and able to go faster in tight corners with the 14. Getting out of them 'Stock" is a different story... that is why I did the flies removal. Well I am glad to see that the 14 is getting a more fair approach than the 12 did. I personally am not into the head to head comparisons. I remember several years ago the zx9 was called, "slow and oudated for this class". Yet it ran the fastest 1/4 mile time and was only a couple tenths slower in the track laps that they did??!! I can't remember the exact dates or anything... just the fact that when I read the article I assumed the 9 was nasty... and then I looked at the test results and got a differant story. Also, I have ridden several CBR1100xx's and was impressed with how smooth they were. I only got a few short rides. You guys that have/had the XX... what is your comparison?? I remember being knocked out at how smooth the XX was. Now I ride this and think it is about the same?
Agreed, found the same with my Busa VS the 14
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posted July 17, 2006 04:07 PM
I dyno all the bikes and map everybike here at yoshimura including Matt's.Zx14r only puts out 164bhp (even the preproduction only put out 157bhp)with a full yoshi pipe and new yoshimura ems it was over 175bhp...also Im building cams and new head gasket to replace the old version....gsxr1300r only puts out 171bhp with a full pipe and ems....but as you take in that 'ram air' a good tuner would take this in considation and adust the air/fuel to make any short fall out on the road...hence with ram air there should be approx 182.5 out of a good system and ems.Iwill report back later as Im engine dyno the zx14r to set up the cams and can use the ram air effect. also the new gsxr1300r is not coming out till 2008 and that was straight from yoshimura japan and we have pictures also!
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posted July 17, 2006 04:16 PM
Hey, I have an FZ1 and a 14. I liked that comparo in the mag. But I would like to see a Busa vs. 14. My 2 cents is that, given the same rider, the way a bike handles in the tight corners is directly related to how much time you spent setting up the suspension. The factory settings for the rear are a bit plushy for tight cornering. Never ridden a Busa, but I've ridden a lot of liter bikes and 600's. The 14 is very nimble for its size and weight. If the mags are gonna compare handling in the twisty's I hope they spend a little time to set up the suspension properly.
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posted July 17, 2006 05:10 PM
I think another Mach 3 video would be great. ZX-14 ZX-12r and Busa. Just watched my old return of the Mach 3 again yesterday. Forgot I had it. Sweeeeeeeet!
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posted July 17, 2006 06:55 PM
I agree w/suspension set-up. I hope that will change things notably for the better in the tight stuff. I know it will. I just hope it'll make the difference I'm hoping for.
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posted July 17, 2006 07:05 PM
Well the two guys doing the testing sucked at drag racing ... so maybe they where not so good at riding twistes either...
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