Flatoutbu
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posted July 08, 2006 09:23 PM
My dyno time at Schnitz...
Had some dyno time scheduled today with Ryan Schnitz. This is the first bike i ever had dyno'd so this was pretty exciting to me. I put the Brock gen3 system and pc3 on the bike alittle while ago but i also pulled the secondary plates out at the same time. I should have left them in and just rode the bike around with the exhaust and pc and seen how it was...but i was greedy. Brocks map wasn't set up for the secondarys to be taken out. The bike ran like poop, today fixed all that! Wow...what a difference, this is awhole new bike. Power is instant and right there as you crack the throttle. My first run on the dyno was 182hp and 105 pounds of torque with 81degrees and 31 percent humidity. Right at 3600rpm the a/f jumped to 17.14 with the flies out.....ouch, torque was 68ft lbs. After the tune it made 185hp and 107pounds of torque.....but at 3600, torque jumped to 85 ft lbs and it picked up 20 hp. It got alot hotter in the garage this time at 89 degrees and 27 percent humidity. The only funny thing was, i always thought they shot air into the bike as it sat on the dyno. The only fans was the ones to keeping it cool and the bike was sucking in 90 degree garage air. He's the pro not me so i trust his skills..i just thought the bike would lean out alittle cramming 150mph air in at at the drags. I'll give you guys a run down on the bike
864 miles
Brock Gen 3 exhaust
PC 3..custom map
Left air filter in but removed paper element.."only made 1 hp more with it out"
block off fresh air tube
plates removed
89 octane
The bike has a few more hp in it here and there but i was pleased with it over all. The bike made one pull at the 190 hp mark but must have been way too lean because he richened it back up and it dropped to 185. Maybe MR9 next time and a sindewinder we could see numbers around 195. Ryan was a great guy to talk to and was really down to earth. I really recommend a custom map to anybody looking for correct A/F ratios and good HP numbers. Brocks map was great and it didnt get much better...so if you just want to put the exhaust and pc3 on...go for it...but if you want to pull the flies out...have it custom mapped.
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tslewisz
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posted July 08, 2006 09:38 PM
 Edited By: tslewisz on 8 Jul 2006 23:04
Sounds like you had some fun! Why not scan/post the slips? Were the numbers you quoted STD or SAE? What was the "smoothing" factor?
Your advice to get a custom map is good...regardless of 'flies....
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serius blk
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posted July 08, 2006 09:57 PM
I definitly cant wait for my stuff to come in. I have a megaphone and will have the other you have. Maybe i can make 2 or 3 more hp. But hey 185-190 is fine with me. Still have to add some more for the ram air.
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Flatoutbu
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posted July 08, 2006 10:10 PM
I'll have to go home and look to see if they were SAE or STD. The only computer i have is at work and it doesn't have a scanner. "Smoothing factor"...hmm,best way to describe it.........you know how the stock bike had the "oh wow" moment at 5 grand..now its at 3500. From a dragraces point of view this doesnt mean much unless the bike is stock length. My theory is leave the flies in stock length, take them out if you want to stretch it. Me and Ryan was talking today about that, 90% of a good pass is in how fast you can get the clutch out without bogging/spinning/wheeling the bike. You'll burn up a million clutchs making good pass's on a stock length bike. Which is fine if you want to spend the money/time to do this. Stretching helps prolong clutch life but you run into more traction problems. So you go out and buy a sticky tire and it hooks better but now your burning up clutchs again, so you go out and buy a lock up. It's a fine line we balance on as dragracers...everything comes full circle.
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dubious
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posted July 08, 2006 10:29 PM
You didn't have Brocks map for the secondary plates removed, downloaded on the PC3?
Brock has had them maps available for about 2 weeks now!
At any rate, glad to hear your impressed.
I noticed an immediate improvement after down loading Brocks no flies map for my smeg.
Did Ryan mention any other new tricks ?
Ignition timing, or cam degreeing?
How is your idle, and did he zero the TPI before starting all work?
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tslewisz
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posted July 08, 2006 10:32 PM
Thanks for taking the time to respond, but the "smoothing" I was referring to is a Dynojet parameter. I believe it's a value between 0 and 5. Just changing around the values of STD/SAE, and smoothing made about a 10HP difference in my dyno runs. Same runs, just changing DJ parameters.
I totally understand what you're saying, though, and I appreciate your insight.
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TeamSpeed
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posted July 09, 2006 05:04 AM
So how was driveability after all of this, and how did it compare after the dyno to when you drove it in? Since I am about 45min from Decatur, this is the what I plan on doing as well.
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flatoutbu
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posted July 09, 2006 07:59 AM
yea i felt like a idiot after going home and seeing that on the dyno sheet. Smoothing was a 5 and it was SAE #'s. Not sure what all that means. I asked him how many 14's he's dyno tuned and mine was the first. I haven't got a good ride in on it yet, it's sitting in my garage with all the body work off it still. It had to be taken off for the dyno but i can get it back on in about 15 minutes...got 2 allen wrenches in cordless drills...saves alot of time.
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supra5677
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posted July 09, 2006 01:18 PM
It means that STD you were making about 193 horsepower good stuff..
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Flatoutbu
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posted July 10, 2006 10:13 AM
So what is the "smoothing"?
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Flatoutbu
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posted July 10, 2006 10:15 AM
Oh and what is Brock using....SAE or STD #'s?
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Jack69
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posted July 10, 2006 11:35 AM
Wow, great info.
So, for canyon runs and track days would you suggest removing the flys?
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Vegasdude
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posted July 10, 2006 12:27 PM
Brock is using STD as are all of the people on this board..........
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flatoutbu
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posted July 10, 2006 02:36 PM
Wonder why Schnitz is using SAE #'s then.....older dyno maybe?
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flatoutbu
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posted July 10, 2006 02:47 PM
dubious:..to be honest i have no ideal. He pulled it on the dyno , strapped it down and gave it hell. Brock put the map in when i picked it up. At the time he didnt have the no flies map and i never got around to registering for the map updates. I wanted to get the bike dyno tuned anyway, i just had to wait alittle while to do it. He didnt mention any new tricks, he seemed alittle bit busy with all the "NHRA stuff" as he put it....lol
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k bryant
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posted July 10, 2006 03:20 PM
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Brock is using STD as are all of the people on this board..........
Not all people.
flatoutbu - Using either STD or SAE has nothing to do with the Dyno's age. Some use one, some use the other. STD readings are always higher and so obviously more impressive to the person reading it. That's why most people will ask what it was set at so they can more closely compare "apples to apples".
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posted July 10, 2006 04:03 PM
Why 89 Octane fuel?
I would imagine some 91/92 might be good for some better driveability and mebbe even an HP or 2.
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posted July 10, 2006 06:38 PM
No because higher octane actually burns slower to prevent detonation. You want to use the lowest octane fuel that doesn't allow detonation....
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BlackMagic14
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posted July 11, 2006 10:23 PM
Ryan told you yours was the first 14 he dynoed that doesnt sound right considering he rode one at Valdosta that he worked on? I think
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chunter
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posted July 12, 2006 04:04 AM
Ryan rode a bike set up by Muzzy at Valdosta.
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posted July 12, 2006 08:42 AM
If you do get a custom map.. The # 1 question to ask them is this.. Do you have the tuning Link software?? If they do not save your money. The dealer probly doesn't have enough money to afford to pay for the right software. This software cost the dealer 1500 a year to lease...
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ryan schnitz
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posted July 14, 2006 11:47 AM
We use SAE Correction Factors with every motorcycle.
We adjust the TPS on every map. (First thing we do before mapping)
Tuning Link Saves time and of course we have it. It gets ya about 90% there.
The Map turned out great and mapping was a breeze. ZX-14's are very smooth on the dyno and easy to tune.
Thanks again for the complements guys!
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CrotchRocket
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posted July 14, 2006 11:59 AM
Edited By: CrotchRocket on 14 Jul 2006 12:59
Nice to see you posting Ryan...I know your busy but howabout a little more class participation here!!! 
When you rode the 14 and went 9.17 @ 153, was it the OEM clutch or did Kawasaki shim the springs or do anything else to the clutch as in different steels or wide contact frictions???...What rpm were you staged at???
Thanks for your input 
http://videos.streetfire.net/recentvideos/8/7F9D781A-BB9F-4CCB-8274-A2FF38FFE441.htm
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ryan schnitz
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posted July 14, 2006 12:41 PM
Standard clutch. No shims, etc..
I launched at 4,500 - 5,000
In Denver now at NHRA event.... Not much time to type.
Got to go...
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BlackMagic14
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posted July 14, 2006 01:19 PM
Ryan with a full Brock meg what would you say is the best RPM to launch at also do you test exhaust temperature to get the A/F or do you test Carbon Monoxide
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