flyboy
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posted July 02, 2006 09:24 PM
The 186 MPH Mystical Barrier
We now have 32 pages in this forum and I still seek the genie to exceed the 186 mph barrier. Has anyone gone past this speed on a dyno or on the track?
If so.... please revel the secret to the Holy Grail.
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Ninja14
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posted July 02, 2006 09:27 PM
My dyno run went to 184 in 5th........the limiter kicked in...
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swiftkart
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posted July 02, 2006 09:47 PM
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We now have 32 pages in this forum and I still seek the genie to exceed the 186 mph barrier. Has anyone gone past this speed on a dyno or on the track?
If so.... please revel the secret to the Holy Grail.
A 196 mph at maxton, only mod was a 18t front sprocket, apparently it fools the ecu and the engine has the hp/trq to pull it.
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Ninja14
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posted July 02, 2006 09:49 PM
196 according to what - the speedo? I only trust my GPS........
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serius blk
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posted July 02, 2006 10:28 PM
zx1kr has proof on his dyno that the bike did i think 194 or 197. I ll have to ck the thread to see the dyno sheets.
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swiftkart
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posted July 02, 2006 10:37 PM
 Edited By: swiftkart on 2 Jul 2006 23:45
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196 according to what - the speedo? I only trust my GPS........
The official timing equipment at Maxon, read it for yourself, it's old news.
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=1&TID=23844&set_time=
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swft
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posted July 02, 2006 10:38 PM
*hands n00b a clue*
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BobC
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posted July 02, 2006 11:24 PM
Edited By: BobC on 3 Jul 2006 00:26
Ignore the speedo, it probably at least 10% optimistic.
I ran at a top speed event on an airfield at the weekend. The speeds were very accurately timed using a speed trap over a 20 yard distance.
Using a Speedo Healer to fool the ecu that I was going slower than it's pre-set limit ,which make the speedo under-read, I did a best run of 190.4mph on a totally stock 14. Stock gearing, stock height, stock exhaust, even had the mirrors on.
Another totally stock 14 did 191. He was just unplugging the tacho feed from the gearbox sprocket prior to each run. He was able to do one run before he got an EFI error and had to plug back in to re-set it between runs.
I should add that the Speedo Healer has a transparent mode, which is what I use for road riding. I just use the offset method for events.
Hope this answers your question.
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FearsomeKawasaki
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posted July 03, 2006 01:55 AM
Well done Bob and Snail, for breaking the ZX12R's fastest production bike record there at the weekend.
First time out too!
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HiMile14
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posted July 03, 2006 04:23 AM
Bob, No crap WITH THE MIRRORS ON. I remember when riding a 1980 KZ650 doing the 1/4, this old guy kept stopping by saying I could do better if I dropped the mirrors. I did not buy into it. Finally the third time he told me I gave in and it clearly made a huge difference. After 25 years I don't remember the time but it was better by at least 1/4 sec if I recall correctly. Good Post.
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BobC
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posted July 03, 2006 05:59 AM
Edited By: BobC on 3 Jul 2006 07:02
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Bob, No crap WITH THE MIRRORS ON. I remember when riding a 1980 KZ650 doing the 1/4, this old guy kept stopping by saying I could do better if I dropped the mirrors. I did not buy into it. Finally the third time he told me I gave in and it clearly made a huge difference. After 25 years I don't remember the time but it was better by at least 1/4 sec if I recall correctly. Good Post.
Rob
Yes Rob, the Class 1 rules for that meeting are STRICT. If you removed the mirrors you'd be put up into Class 2 with the "pipe and PC" boys. Top speed de-restriction is the only tampering allowed. I guess we'd all be doing 186 otherwise.
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swft
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posted July 03, 2006 06:01 AM
You can, however, fold them back. Correct?
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BobC
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posted July 03, 2006 06:04 AM
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You can, however, fold them back. Correct?
Yes, that's allowed.
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zx12richard
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posted July 03, 2006 09:55 AM
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196 according to what - the speedo? I only trust my GPS........
HAHA Damn dude you should know when they say Maxton, its more official than your GPS....
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serius blk
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posted July 03, 2006 10:14 AM
Hey bobc did you redline it. Do you have the remote for the sh to show your speed. Would it redline or did you run out of room.
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BobC
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posted July 03, 2006 10:38 AM
Edited By: BobC on 3 Jul 2006 11:39
No remote. The tacho was on around 10700rpm but I compute that at the electronically measured speed, 190.4mph, it was actually revving at about 10100rpm. The tacho, like the speedo is not accurate.
The remote would not be any use, I was not using the SH to calibrate the speedo, just to put in a massive under-read so I wouldn't hit the speed restrictor at 186. Crude but effective.
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Ninja14
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posted July 03, 2006 11:31 AM
I bet it is better to NOT fold the mirrors since they would still be in the airstream and the side profile is not as good as the front :-)
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zx9rmal
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posted July 03, 2006 11:42 AM
Definite good news with the Speedohealer. The 14 won't pull more than 10k rpm in 6th with stock gearing, BUT, after installing the Speedohealer and a 16T front sprocket, the bike pulls to 11k after calibrating the speedo to my GPS. Actual speed, per the GPS, with a 16T front sprocket is 17mph/1,000 rpm in 6th gear. Do the math.  )
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Drowland
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posted July 04, 2006 02:28 PM
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Definite good news with the Speedohealer. The 14 won't pull more than 10k rpm in 6th with stock gearing, BUT, after installing the Speedohealer and a 16T front sprocket, the bike pulls to 11k after calibrating the speedo to my GPS. Actual speed, per the GPS, with a 16T front sprocket is 17mph/1,000 rpm in 6th gear. Do the math. )
How fast?? I set my speedhealer at -10% and with stock gearing I'm seeing the same thing (want pass 10k rpm is 6th) The speedo with a -10% read showing around 176.. what the fuck is up with this.. I want more speed
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posted July 04, 2006 04:09 PM
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Well done Bob and Snail, for breaking the Hayabusa's fastest production bike record there at the weekend.
First time out too!
Fixed.
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FearsomeK
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posted July 05, 2006 04:39 AM
Erm no actually.
Class 1 record was held by a 12R at 190. (i.e. off the showroom floor stock class)
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posted July 05, 2006 07:13 AM
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I bet it is better to NOT fold the mirrors since they would still be in the airstream and the side profile is not as good as the front :-)
But the rear of a mirror is flat. Ya' gotta put the air back where it was for minimal drag. 
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BlakesBusa
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posted July 05, 2006 07:18 AM
Edited By: BlakesBusa on 5 Jul 2006 08:18
Real world tests show otherwise.
The Hayabusa was quote:
consistently tested as the quickest and fastest production motorcycle in the world circa 2000 (see Cycleworld June 2000, Performance Bikes June 2000, Sportbike Magazine June 2000, Motorcyclist Magazine June 2000, Bikenet Online, Bike Magazine - UK, May 2000, and others around the world.
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FearsomeK
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posted July 05, 2006 08:18 AM
Edited By: FearsomeK on 5 Jul 2006 09:19
There are many that show the 12R as being faster. Magazine tests are not worth a shit anyway as wind can change causing one run to be 10mph quicker than another on any given day. The only way is to establish a record over multiple events, over a large number of different days, with a multitude of different riders on examples of each bike.
In the UK, the 12R has been shown as the fastest production bike at BOTH of it's top speed venues consistently and held the record throughout.
I understand the stock bike track record at Maxton was held by Doug Meyer on a ZX12R. At Bonneville, the 12 has been the fastest showroom stock bike too.
It was, without doubt, the fastest production bike.
The king is dead however, long live the ZZR
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posted July 05, 2006 11:15 AM
My son was riding the stock (except for the 18 countersprocket) 14 at Maxton last month. He did run 196.1 mph which is faster than Dougs 192 pass on the 12 and Scott Guthries fastest stock 'Busa pass of 192.
The 14 is the fastest production bike........period.
I have a 12 and love it but the 14 is a runner for sure. Awesome bike!
Dan
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