BigBoreBiker
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posted June 15, 2006 11:17 PM
 Edited By: BigBoreBiker on 16 Jun 2006 00:31
ZX-14 vs. The World...
I was reading my new Motorcyclist mag with the ZX and the FZ1 on the cover and I came across their performance numbers for the ZX, so I compared them to its competition's numbers. (All numbers from Motorcyclist mag)
Bike - HP - TQ - 1/4 mile - Top gear roll on 60-80
ZX-14 - 175.7@9550 - 106.2@8050 - 9.76@144.7 - 3.00
Busa - 156.1@9500 - 99.0@6750 - 9.88@143.9 - 2.70
Gix1000 - 162.1@11,500 - 79.9@8500 - 9.79@148.4 - 2.46
ZX-12R - 161.4@10,000 - 91.3@7750 - 9.92@143.7 - 3.17
Dayum, these bikes are all neck and neck, its gonna be a riders race.
In a sidebar titled "What about the 'Busa? ,They asked the question:
Q: How does the 'Busa stack up against Kawasaki's new ZX-14?
A: Better than a seven year old design should.
Oh SNAP!
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dwzx14
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posted June 16, 2006 05:32 AM
Drag racing is just like Fast boats. You want more power -add another big block and SS ,but added weight and getting the power to the water only makes it a little faster.
I know for every second on the quater mile costs big bucks to lower the time.
So, of course these bikes are going to be close. In 7 years we have not changed to jet power .Kawasaki made one to beat the Suzuki Busa' . Job Done!
I guess we will have to work on that roll on time though.
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S A Kruz
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posted June 16, 2006 06:08 AM
Above 120 mph I think the 14 would run off and hide fronm the others, that's where pure horsepower and aerodynamics begin to assert themselves.
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kawiguy3
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posted June 16, 2006 06:10 AM
I have race gixer's 1000's from a roll and whoped their buts. maybe it was rider?
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fastestbusaaround
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posted June 16, 2006 06:33 AM
Top gear roll on on the 14 was done with the plates IN...when you take them out, it will beat the Busa...I'm 100% sure. The 14 is weak with them in at those speeds...and even with them out, a liter bike will beat it. It would be tough for a 14 or a Busa to beat a K5/6 on top gear roll on at 60-80...very tough.
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S A Kruz
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posted June 16, 2006 06:34 AM
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I have race gixer's 1000's from a roll and whoped their buts. maybe it was rider?
I think the 14 is one of the easiest big bores to launch for an average rider. Those published times in the magazines are with professional riders on board. With average Joe's riding, I think the 14 is gonna beat 'em all!
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S A Kruz
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posted June 16, 2006 06:39 AM
With all the bitchin going on about lack of lowend I am surprised that the 14 did as well as it did in the 60-80 top gear roll on at 3.0 seconds, not that much slower than the rest and the 14 is overgeared, will do 186 mph in 5th just as it kisses the rev limiter. take the subs out and drop one tooth and watch out!
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SoCal ZX-14 Rider
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posted June 16, 2006 06:45 AM
Good Point BigBore! With all this talk about increasing the low end power and whether the zx-14 engine has been neutered by the factory for safety. I wonder how much more power could be developed by the 14 motor once "unleashed". Would it be just a little more by the same percentage cc to cc than the potential power the 1298 cc Hayabusa motor could "unleashed" with identical mods? I believe there is a 54 cc difference in the displacement. If in fact the factories detune bikes for safety, is a stock comparison really fair? One manufacturer could "nueter" their bike more or less than another. I do understand the stock profile of these bikes is what the manufacturers offer so this is where the comparisons start but from an engineering perspective it would be interesting to see if 54 more cc's is capable of an overwhelming amount more power with identical mods.
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Mano 2
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posted June 16, 2006 06:45 AM
Redesign.
I beat my 14 on my mountain bike from a standing start in 6th.
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BigBoreBiker
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posted June 16, 2006 07:57 AM
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Kawasaki made one to beat the Suzuki Busa' . Job Done!
C'mon dude, in a drag race its gonna come down to the rider, that is how close these bikes are, the ZX has a 54cc advantage over the Boosa right from the get, and the stock production record of 194 mph for the '99 Boosa still stands.
And if you only buy a bike because its the "so-called next big thing" you are gonna buy a lot of bikes.
More than half of the ZX-14 riders won't be able to get out of the tens with this bike (stock and no straps), the same goes for the Boosa, if you don't believe me head to your local strip this weekend and get busy.
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famous1
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posted June 16, 2006 08:19 AM
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Kawasaki made one to beat the Suzuki Busa' . Job Done!
C'mon dude, in a drag race its gonna come down to the rider, that is how close these bikes are, the ZX has a 54cc advantage over the Boosa right from the get, and the stock production record of 194 mph for the '99 Boosa still stands.
And if you only buy a bike because its the "so-called next big thing" you are gonna buy a lot of bikes.
More than half of the ZX-14 riders won't be able to get out of the tens with this bike (stock and no straps), the same goes for the Boosa, if you don't believe me head to your local strip this weekend and get busy.
but the busa is a seven year old design....... out with the old in with the new......
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dwzx14
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posted June 16, 2006 09:02 AM
I know they are close "dude". I like all bikes (busa included-Harley not ) I only made a comment because of your "OH SNAP" comment. That was my point .Allot more power gets you very minimal increase in speed. It felt like a little jab so I said it was a better bike. Not so much in speed but all other areas. How much faster can a production motorcycle be. Anymore power and I think the rear tires will catch fire.lol. I am a new rider and I would not say I could beat anyone in a race.
And when the new Busa comes out wait and see how much faster (if possible) it is than the ZX. Then we wil never hear the end of it from guys like you ,over 5-10 hp maybe. Let us have our glory for now. I think we know it won't stand forever.
Just have fun..
Also, if the ZX wasn't restricted to 186 mph, It would be KING! No bike will ever beat the record now. It just is not fair. : (
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posted June 16, 2006 09:24 AM
Maybe making the 14 a little tame is a good thing.....stops/limits consumer complaints, trouble from non enthusiasts,[ tighter restrictions ]. bad press, etc. or eventually no more fast bikes.
Like 1999-2000 when these threats against the sport were being made. Remember?
When I look how easy/inexpensive/safe Kawi made the 14 for us to go to the race track, I'm happy.
Maybe they have a good marketing strategy with the 14?
Can we blame them for not making 195rwhp stock? I can't. Even tho most of us would at Bikeland would love it.
The marketing/liability issues for the factories have to be huge, don't they?
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posted June 16, 2006 09:53 AM
Even 10 years ago, I never thought I would see bikes like these for the street.
Then came 1999.
Then I never thought we would see brakes like these on stock bikes.
Now it's 2006.
I'm as afraid/maybe more [respestful ] of the brakes as the power. That's a good thing, right? Looks like the brakes caught up?
Is anybody beside me amazed at the factories commitment to building safe high performance bikes.
Here is to continuing development, and to keep pushing the envelope.
Kawasaki and Suzuki thank you, keep up the fight, and the good R&D.
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BigBoreBiker
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posted June 16, 2006 09:57 AM
dwzx14,
New rider huh, well congratz you picked a helluva bike, I am not brand loyal by the least bit, the numbers I posted are from the mag, I hope someone makes a 8 second bike and I don't care which manufactuer does it just as long as they keep pushing the envelope.
BTW my first streetbike was a new 1974 Kawasaki H2 750 triple, and at the time it was the one to beat.
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posted June 16, 2006 10:14 AM
Thanks Big Bore,
Me too, I would love to go 8's. Maybe that will happen soon too?
I guess I do sound like a new rider.
I'm not only old but after I stopped motocross, I've had every open production bike since the Mach III came out.
I did miss the H 2. I thought it was too heavy. But that was the trend. A year later I bought a '73 Z 1. And here we are.
My goal/wish has always been to safely see 200. Not like the Fastest Indian.
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smokinZX14
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posted June 16, 2006 11:43 AM
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Kawasaki made one to beat the Suzuki Busa' . Job Done!
C'mon dude, in a drag race its gonna come down to the rider, that is how close these bikes are, the ZX has a 54cc advantage over the Boosa right from the get, and the stock production record of 194 mph for the '99 Boosa still stands.
And if you only buy a bike because its the "so-called next big thing" you are gonna buy a lot of bikes.
More than half of the ZX-14 riders won't be able to get out of the tens with this bike (stock and no straps), the same goes for the Boosa, if you don't believe me head to your local strip this weekend and get busy.
Man thats the truth , i go to the track twice weekly and have not seen one Busa in the 9s ... Most Busas are running 10.20s to 10.70s... on the other hand i see more Gixxers and zx10 running high nines...Not many zx14s at the track so far but the 2 that i have seen ran great , one 9.36 and one 9.65 and the one that runs 9.65 was mine ... The zx14 sure did open the eyes of the Busa owners ..Your are 100% right take your zx14 to the track stock and mostylikey you will see 10s or 11s just like every avg first timmer..
Go to one of the Busa web sites , they have a poll in the drag racing thread ..
Heading > how fast did you go the first time to the 1/4 ...... poll says 59% ran 10s .. 23% ran 11s ..... 19 % ran 9s ...... If we did a poll for the zx14 i would bet the numbers would be very close ...
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S A Kruz
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posted June 16, 2006 12:44 PM
I think the 14 is easier to launch than a Busa hence the lower E.T.s. Being a little stronger on top end probably doesn't hurt either.
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