Drowland
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posted June 12, 2006 04:58 PM
Has anyone remapped their bike after removal of the butterflies??
   
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fastestbusaaround
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posted June 12, 2006 05:10 PM
I was thinking about doing it...but haven't done it yet...timing/spark advance is also something that needs to be addressed; there are issues in 5th gear at 4k..and the bike needs to be re-timed down low. There is much more power here than anyone knows...motor mod's are not required either.
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Drowland
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posted June 12, 2006 05:17 PM
Has anyone professional tuners endorse removing the butterflies yet?? Does anyone know if someone is coming out with a plug and play version?? Module or something???
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vegasdude
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posted June 12, 2006 05:18 PM
Brock has................maps a comin...................
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Drowland
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posted June 12, 2006 05:22 PM
I bought his exhaust and called his office and asked them about a forth coming map.. No one knew anything about it
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vegasdude
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posted June 12, 2006 05:28 PM
He hasn't made it yet. He will this week.............be patient. I talked to Brock last week.
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posted June 12, 2006 07:21 PM
 Edited By: dubious on 12 Jun 2006 23:12
Brock told me the same , megaphone maps, and throttle plate maps will soon be underway!
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zxlnt
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posted June 12, 2006 08:05 PM
I'm just frothing at the bit to get this done,but I want to do a stock dyno pull first. Where are you guys hooking up to get the tach signal for the rpm readout on the dynos at?
I dont have a manual yet otherwise I would look in there..
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Drowland
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posted June 13, 2006 02:19 PM
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You need to block off the pare valve to get an accurate AFR...otherwise you'll be running to rich.
Whats the deal??? Lean or what?
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fastestbusaaround
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posted June 13, 2006 02:58 PM
Drowland....read back on this thread...there was a post by Orjef that shows the AFR numbers with and without the plates...looks like little to no difference too...
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zerMATT
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posted June 13, 2006 06:04 PM
Question for the guys who have tried this:
I'm not sure that I want a BUNCH more low-end punch, but I wouldn't mind gaining SOME more low-end. Do you think that removing the plates and drilling a pair of holes in each, on either side of the shaft, would make a noticable difference? For instance, let's say that you are gaining 10% more power and tq by removing the plates completely, could I drill holes amounting to 50% of the plate area and gain only 5% more power?
I ask because I'm not sure that I am ready to risk having a "lurchy" bike at low revs. My wrist may not be able to tame that enough for me to be comfortable rolling-on in corners yet. I don't mind experimenting since I can always buy a new set of plates to switch back if I decide to.
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tslewisz
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posted June 13, 2006 06:50 PM
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I'm just frothing at the bit to get this done,but I want to do a stock dyno pull first. Where are you guys hooking up to get the tach signal for the rpm readout on the dynos at?
I dont have a manual yet otherwise I would look in there..
Off a coil stick. You just have to remove a "grill panel".
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zx1kr
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posted June 13, 2006 07:43 PM
Take a look at this post. I have the difference in the AFR posted on the dyno charts. 4th gear runs (secondaries Closed under 5k).
6th gear run (secondaries open under 5k).
Clearly shows diff. in AFR & power gains.
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=27&TID=24329&set_time=
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dubious
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posted June 13, 2006 08:06 PM
Zermatt... the difference is not so crazy .... not like a hit of Nitrous.
Big difference yes.... uncontrolable NO.
I would not recommend it for people who shouldn't be on this bike to begin with....
and only they can truthfully answer that!
That being said ... if your really comfortable with the stock power, and have been riding big bore bikes forever... try it!
You'll know what you want!
I'm leaving 1st and 2nd gear blackies exiting corners at any rpm above 2500 .... when i want to!
If you don't like it you can reinstall, or reinstall them modified.
If I was going to go half way.... mod the plates.... I would cut them in half.
I have not looked but the part cut off would be inline with the injectors... for atomization purposes.
Just my 2 cents..... but what do i know.
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zxbob
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posted June 13, 2006 08:11 PM
Mine are out ....... there never go'n back in.
Absolutly incredable torque.
Full Muzzy
PC III
Ivans TRE
Muzzy Block offs
Schnitz Map (for the Muzzy) no change for the subs.
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dubious
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posted June 13, 2006 08:48 PM
Ditto zxbob.
You didn't change the map... or didn't have to?
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fastestbusaaround
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posted June 14, 2006 01:48 AM
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Take a look at this post. I have the difference in the AFR posted on the dyno charts. 4th gear runs (secondaries Closed under 5k).
6th gear run (secondaries open under 5k).
Clearly shows diff. in AFR & power gains.
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=27&TID=24329&set_time=
From what I saw...the AFR is high down low without the plates removed. That is exactly what I was saying...but from Orjef's report on this forum, he found no diff in the AFR with the plates on or off...but he DID block off the pare valve...did you do that as well? The results will be skewed if you didn't do that...
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zxbob
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posted June 14, 2006 03:19 AM
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Ditto zxbob.
You didn't change the map... or didn't have to?
No map change yet .........
Im running the Schnitz map now for the Muzzy and the bike seems
to be absoluty great. As soon as I can schedule the Dyno time, then
I will have it checked and tuned.
Based on fuel economy, 36.1 mpg before the plate removal and 36.1
after the plate removal. ( no change ) But holly cow the torque !
Bob
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posted June 14, 2006 04:42 AM
zxbob,
Have you, or anyone, tried the bike w/the plates out and w/, then w/o, the TRE? In other words, does the TRE help anything w/the plates removed? In addition, from what I could tell, you had the TRE on first, and still noticed a big difference when you took out the plates, yes?
Everybody please hold your opinion of Ivan, and/or his TRE, I'm familiar w/what some of you think. I just want to know if the TRE does anything in addition to the plate removal.
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zerMATT
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posted June 14, 2006 05:07 AM
Thanks dub & fts for the reply and pm - I may try taking them out this weekend and see how it feels.
I *really* miss the low-end of my ZZR, and I'm hoping that this mod will bring that feeling back. I just don't want to scare myself in a corner or cause a slide... I like to ride hard, but I'm not a fan of leaving long black marks coming out of corners just yet 
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posted June 14, 2006 05:09 AM
Just run the next gear up!!
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zx1kr
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posted June 14, 2006 07:46 AM
The runs were done w/o blocking off P.valve due to the fact that I was not actually tuning but just trying to get a base to compare the diff. gear runs. The p.valve does skew A/F results but it is a constant & basicly you can still see the problems in the fuel mix even w/o blocking off. If you look at the map where I o'laid the 2 runs (4th & 6th gr.) you can see that the ecm is clearly opening the sec. flies in 5th & 6th gr. When I have an exhaust , pc3usb on the bike I will remove the sec. flies & block the p.valves. The results will be posted in detail.
Just for the record I'am all for the removal of the sec. flies & can't wait to pull them but as I said in the past I won't do it w/o an appropriate fuel management system.
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posted June 14, 2006 08:54 PM
took out my secondaries this morning..thanks guys..now she totally rocks..if you guys say she needs timing changes..well maybe she does but I'm really happy with how we're running now..keep us all posted and thanks again..and again
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dubious
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posted June 14, 2006 09:02 PM
I have been avoiding riding mine just the same as I am afraid of burnt valves.
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posted June 15, 2006 03:21 AM
exhaust valves that is..........
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