tslewisz
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posted June 05, 2006 06:05 AM
Minor issues w/ Brock pipe and ZX10 PC installs
Wanted to give you guys a heads up on what I ran into yesterday. First, the PC3 USB I got is for a ZX10R, acquired locally through my tuner from Parts Unlimited. Schnitz was out of them when he called them. Anyway, since Ryan had said the hardware is the same I thought no big deal. It wasn't really, but I had to extend the ground wire. It is a bear routing those big plugs to the engine. Ended up removing the tank bracket on the left side so I could swing the existing wires toward the center of the bike to make room. The pipe removal was a piece of cake. Just disconnected the lower rad brace, loosened the top screws and pulled it forward a bit. The right side two pipes went right in but the left side was being fouled by my oil filter. I'd used a Purolator Pure One #14610 (3.25" long) and it was just too long. Spun it off, finished the pipe install, and headed to the parts store for a #14612, which is 2.5". It was very, very close to starting, so I gently pried the header away from it and it screwed on with about 1/4" clearance once seated. Maybe an OEM filter will be fine?
Anway, that's how my day went.
  
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vozizm
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posted June 05, 2006 06:07 AM
glad ya got it worked out sir...
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vegasdude
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posted June 05, 2006 06:49 AM
 Edited By: vegasdude on 5 Jun 2006 07:55
lf you would have removed the throttle side front tank support, the plugs would have went right in................just did mine saturday................OEM filter is on my bike and there is plenty of clearance..........also Brock rewires the PC just for the 14 and no issues...........
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Brock
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posted June 05, 2006 12:42 PM
tslewisz,
FYI: I have seen Fram and other aftermarket oil filters have problems over the past 25 years.
One was plugged (!!) out of the box and I have seen several leave filaments in the pick up screens after very few miles on the dyno.
I ONLY USE O.E.M. factory oil filters- I have NEVER seen a problem with a single one- ever.
Yes, they are a bit more expensive- but one poorly manufactured oil filter can cause total engine failure...that will eat up any filter savings I hurry!
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fastestbusaaround
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posted June 05, 2006 08:31 PM
Brock...you have dyno's...how about the 2nd butterfly removal and an a/f test ?
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tslewisz
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posted June 06, 2006 05:35 AM
I know what you mean, Brock, but I respect blitzkrieg's opinion on such matters so I used the Pure Ones. Additionally, I was working on the bike Sunday and I didn't have access to an OEM filter. My tuner now has six OEM ZX14 filters in stock so I'll be picking up a couple to have on hand.
My assumption was that my issues were due to the use of non-OEM filters, rather than improper fitment of your system. I thought it was important to note it for the others that will no doubt be buying your pipes.
FBA, I've spoken to my tuner about it. I may be able to help with that soon...
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fastestbusaaround
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posted June 06, 2006 07:16 AM
I'm heading over to my dealer today to comply with the recall and I'm having the butterfly removed while I'm there. Will ride for a few days and see how it works....but I like the idea about controlling the motor and have already thought up the circuit to allow the rider to control position of the butterfly, or let the bike do it all (switch and relay)...I will wait till he gets the shop manuals so I can see what the wiring to the motor looks like...and need to find out motor voltage is...not necessarily 12 Volts.
I can't imagine that the F/A mix will work optimally with the butterfly removed, but that could easily be addressed with the PCIII.
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zx9rmal
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posted June 06, 2006 07:47 AM
Regarding the Pure One oil filters, I've read analyses that show them to be the best quality. HOWEVER, the 14610 seems to be used by the ZX-10R, ZX-12R, and ZX-14, but the OEM filters for these models are ALL different part numbers.??? You can NOT go wrong with the OEM filter. You have an $11,000 bike and want to save a couple of $$ on a filter??
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Vegasdude
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posted June 06, 2006 09:08 AM
The 14's oem filter is a little longer than the ZX10. I have both and just compared them side by side..........
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tslewisz
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posted June 06, 2006 10:23 AM
Edited By: tslewisz on 6 Jun 2006 11:33
zx9rmal -
In my case it was not an issue of $, but of availability. When I needed to change my oil the first two times, no dealer within 100 miles of me had an OEM filter. Ordering online was not an option as I was leaving for NC (I'm in Illinois) 4 days after bike purchase. In the case of the first change, I used a K&N filter for a 10/12. Subsequently, I took the advice of someone I respect (blitzkrieg) and used the Purolator Pure One because I believed it was a superior substitute. Additionally, it was posted on this forum that the change in OEM model numbers was due to a change in filter vendors, rather than a specification change.
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zx9rmal
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posted June 06, 2006 05:54 PM
tslewisz -
Gotcha. I would have done the same if I needed a filter for my first change.
As far as the change in OEM part numbers, then why are the p/n's different for each bike? If a vendor change, wouldn't they all use the same "new" number? I believe there is "some" difference in the filters.
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TeamSpeed
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posted June 06, 2006 06:06 PM
Edited By: TeamSpeed on 6 Jun 2006 19:07
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tslewisz -
Gotcha. I would have done the same if I needed a filter for my first change.
As far as the change in OEM part numbers, then why are the p/n's different for each bike? If a vendor change, wouldn't they all use the same "new" number? I believe there is "some" difference in the filters.
Absolutely not the case. Just because there are different part numbers, it does not mean they are not the same, it is just a way to track who is buying what for what vehicles, it is a simple way to track sales of parts and materials across many product lines.
Many manufacturers do this for a 2nd reason. For example, K&N filters that are shared across many vehicle types have different numbers. Why? Because they can charge more for the newer vehicles that are out, even though they share filters from other older makes and models. For example, when the last generation Grand Am came out, the K&Ns were about $60. However, when you ran the paper filter numbers backward, you found that the factory filter from some Chrysler vehicle was the same as the Grand Am, and the K&N for that vehicle (different part number) was $40, but fit perfectly.
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suicycle
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posted June 07, 2006 02:44 AM
Fortunately my old 1990 zx6 runs the same filter as my new 14 and i have a nice stock of those laying around. But just in someone else cant find the factory Kawi filter but prefers the quality of OEM filters...the factory oil filters for any early to mid 1990s FZR 600 is also compatible with the ZX6 and ZX14 and I have had to use one in a pinch. (hmmm I think I have far to many bikes and parts laying around here)
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