TeamSpeed
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posted June 06, 2006 05:50 PM
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3) It's not a question of cost. I care about my motors religiously, I rebuild motors, I run oil analysis to make sure things are working correctly. One oil analysis costs what two OEM filters do. But, if I can spend $5 on a superior filter to the inferior $14 OEM I will. All day long.
ZXLNT - I put a Pure1 PL-14612 on my brand new R1 @ 400 miles. That's how confident I am of the filter and IF I should have a problem and IF Yamaha balks at warranty work I have more than enough hard data to prove to them that the Pure1 exceeds the spec's of the OEM on every level.
Understand this - the OEM is just a "decent" filter. It's not above average.
It's made cheap and your dealers want you to buy it because they have a HUGE profit margin on it.
One of my favorite non-biased links:
http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Filters.html#OilFilters
Amen, the same discussions arose in 2000 with the advent of the 12R. How many of us kept with the Pure One filters? Quite a few, myself included. Great filter, never any problems, just put one on the 14 now for the first change.
I stay away from Fram (especially from Walmart) and alot of the others, I only use Purolators on all my vehicles.
  
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blitzkrieg
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posted June 06, 2006 06:22 PM
Fram's are almost the worst filter on the market. Second up from the bottom of the outhouse pit.
I wouldn't run one on my lawnmower. 
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fastestbusaaround
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posted June 06, 2006 06:24 PM
What's a lawnmower? Is there a forum for those? We need one. :P
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blitzkrieg
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posted June 06, 2006 07:05 PM
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What's a lawnmower? Is there a forum for those? We need one. :P
Mine's a Honda - don't want to ruffle anybodies feather's by pointing out that neither Kawasaki or Suzuki make one. LOL
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northmedic
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posted June 06, 2006 11:56 PM
today at the shop was looking up the oil filter for a kvf 4x4 360 kawasaki quad and the cross up number was our 0004 filter for the zx 14 just thinking if K&N makes a filter for it its the same filter (K&N 204 is the filter ) that is listed for the KVF 360
just my 2 cents
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suicycle
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posted June 07, 2006 02:23 AM
If the dealer balks due to an oil failure? The Magnuson Moss act of 1976 states that a manufacturer can not void a warranty due to non OEM parts installed. They must be able to prove that the failure was directly attributed to the use of the aftermarket item. Go to the SEMA web site for links. SEMA=Specialty Equiptment Manufacturers Association.
By the way, loving my Passion Red zx14....cant wait for my damn pipe etc. keep getting told 3 weeks for the past month, every 2 weeks. (Micron Serpent with red carbon cannister) The micron rep says the prototype is making 14 rwhp with no map installed. We'll see...I do have access to a dyno.
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blitzkrieg
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posted June 07, 2006 02:35 PM
Correct.
And Purolator stands behind their product:
Purolator filters are warranted to be free from manufacturer's defects in material, workmanship or design in accordance with the terms and conditions described below.
Purolator filters meet or exceed OEM (original equipment manufacturers) requirements and are tested in accordance with the Society of Automotive Engineers' test procedures.
New car warranties remain in effect when Purolator filters are used in accordance to the engine manufacturer's change intervals.
In the event of an engine failure directly caused by a defective Purolator filter, which was properly installed and changed following the engine manufacturer's recommended service intervals and was in accord with current Purolator catalog recommendations, Purolator warrants that it will pay for the repair or, if necessary, replacement of an engine or other parts damaged as a result of any defect in any of our filters.
Claims for engine repairs provided under this warranty must be submitted within 30 days after discovery of damage. Purolator Technical Services Department reserves the right to examine the engine and filter to determine the amount of damage and whether it was caused by a defective Purolator filter.
This warranty DOES NOT COVER any product that has been subjected to misuse, neglect, negligence or accident, or that has been improperly maintained, operated or installed. The warranty DOES NOT APPLY to any damage to the product that is the result of rust or corrosion.
THIS WARRANTY IS IN LIEU OF ALL OTHER WARRANTIES EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING THE IMPLIED WARRANTY OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE WHICH ARE EXPRESSLY EXCLUDED. PUROLATOR SHALL NOT BE LIABLE FOR CONSEQUENTIAL OR INCIDENTAL DAMAGES RESULTING FROM OR CAUSED BY THE USE, OPERATION, FAILURE OR DEFECT OF ANY PUROLATOR FILTER.
This warranty gives you specific legal rights. You may also have other rights which vary from state to state.
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PapaBoomBoom
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posted June 07, 2006 06:30 PM
K&N has a notification email system on their site. They will notify you when they have products available.
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Hawkman
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posted January 31, 2007 12:15 PM
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Claims for engine repairs provided under this warranty must be submitted within 30 days after discovery of damage. Purolator Technical Services Department reserves the right to examine the engine and filter to determine the amount of damage and whether it was caused by a defective Purolator filter.
This warranty DOES NOT COVER any product that has been subjected to misuse, neglect, negligence or accident, or that has been improperly maintained, operated or installed. The warranty DOES NOT APPLY to any damage to the product that is the result of rust or corrosion.
THIS WARRANTY IS IN LIEU OF ALL OTHER WARRANTIES EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING THE IMPLIED WARRANTY OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE WHICH ARE EXPRESSLY EXCLUDED. PUROLATOR SHALL NOT BE LIABLE FOR CONSEQUENTIAL OR INCIDENTAL DAMAGES RESULTING FROM OR CAUSED BY THE USE, OPERATION, FAILURE OR DEFECT OF ANY PUROLATOR FILTER.
So if an engine fails using a Purolator filter, not only do you have to deal with Kawasaki trying to weasel out of paying for the repair, you've got Purolator doing it also.
I'll just stick to using OEM. I've got 39k on my 12R using OEM. :-/
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Hawkman
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posted January 31, 2007 12:24 PM
 Edited By: Hawkman on 31 Jan 2007 12:26
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By the way, loving my Passion Red zx14....cant wait for my damn pipe etc. keep getting told 3 weeks for the past month, every 2 weeks. (Micron Serpent with red carbon cannister) The micron rep says the prototype is making 14 rwhp with no map installed. We'll see...I do have access to a dyno.
Do you have the Serpent system now? How do you like it? I feel for you, dude! You were totally missing out. The 14 is amazing with an exhaust, map and flies out.
I've got Brock's Gen3 system with a carbon Hindle end can. Called and placed my order on a Thursday. It went out on Friday and I got it on Tuesday. It's like being a kid on X-mas, baby!
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blitzkrieg
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posted January 31, 2007 06:51 PM
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So if an engine fails using a Purolator filter, not only do you have to deal with Kawasaki trying to weasel out of paying for the repair, you've got Purolator doing it also.
I'll just stick to using OEM. I've got 39k on my 12R using OEM. :-/
No.
Consequential and Incidental doesn't mean they are going to try to bail on repairing the engine damage, it means if your engine siezes and you crap your pants, they're not going to pay for new underwear. 
That's pretty much a standard in warranties and you can bet your bottom dollar Kawasaki has legalese written somewhere that says the same thing about their OEM parts.
I mean it's cool if you want to run the OEM filter. I used to be a dyed in the wool OEM man myself, but if you look at the scientific data from numerous testing entities, there is a clear distinction between the best filters on the market and the rest. Purolator and Mobil1 are the best of the best.
Even the cult known as Amsoil doesn't produce a filter that can match either.
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flatoutbu
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posted February 01, 2007 10:24 AM
You can use the 002 for the 12 if you want, same filter just shorter. I use the 002 because there is more clearance between the filter and the head pipes, aftermarket pipes tend to get alittle close to the filter.
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