aughtsix
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posted May 14, 2006 05:39 PM
Cal model??
Anyone know yet if there's a California model of the 14? Do you folks outside of California have a charcoal cannister??
Since it has cats and is apparently rather lean down low, I'm wondering if this is a 50 state bike...
  
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zxbob
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posted May 14, 2006 07:45 PM
I dont beleive all models are Ca.
I think I saw another post where a members bike had no canister - also
if im not mistaken, the additional vent lines on the rear of the tank.
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posted May 14, 2006 07:49 PM
Vapor recovery plumbing is specific to CA.
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zxbob
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posted May 14, 2006 07:55 PM
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Vapor recovery plumbing is specific to CA.
I thought that was correct, I also remember a guy in Las Vegas
that ended up with a Cali model bike. He did'nt seem happy
about it.
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posted May 15, 2006 03:50 PM
No, I wouldn't be very happy about it either.
It's happened to me, so I'm wary of it. I bought a ZX-11 brand new off the showroom floor here in Oregon. I assumed it was a non-Cal model - after all, I bought it up here. Well, turned out it was a Cal model. I shouted, I stomped, I whined, but to deaf ears. I was told that Kawi simply fills orders with stock on hand and if the model/year/color happens to be a Cal spec bike, it gets sent.
Thanks for weighing in...
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posted May 15, 2006 04:15 PM
Yes there is a Cal spec!!!
Look at your warranty registration card before you buy; if the model code ends with 'L' you have a California spec vehicle and the new EPA regulations will become effective in stages, starting in 2006 and harmonizing with California 's standards in 2010.
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posted May 15, 2006 04:57 PM
Like a couple (literally) pounds is gonna kill ya - jeez.
Same hp as non-CA bikes - no big deal.
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posted May 15, 2006 05:26 PM
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Like a couple (literally) pounds is gonna kill ya - jeez.
Same hp as non-CA bikes - no big deal.
And chances are, many owners would take off those 2 pounds (exhaust and a little plumbing) anyway.
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zxbob
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posted May 15, 2006 06:17 PM
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Like a couple (literally) pounds is gonna kill ya - jeez.
Same hp as non-CA bikes - no big deal.
And chances are, many owners would take off those 2 pounds (exhaust and a little plumbing) anyway.
I did ...... 
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posted May 15, 2006 06:38 PM
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Vapor recovery plumbing is specific to CA.
I thought that was correct, I also remember a guy in Las Vegas
that ended up with a Cali model bike. He did'nt seem happy
about it.
Yah that was me and from what i understand alot of bikes sent out were for Cali. Somthing to do with Cali having a larger market share than other states and deals were made from one dealer to another in diffrent states....Cali had the bikes other states didnt they either sold or traded them thats why in some places the price increased depending on what was payed to the Cali dealerships. Thats what i was told anyway 
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posted May 15, 2006 06:54 PM
The two 12r's that I bought in Az were Cali bikes. I had to remove the CalCrap.
The dealer said that "everyone out West gets the Cali models"
It is not just the weight, the can takes up valuable storage space. :-)
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posted May 16, 2006 08:49 AM
But in some bikes at least the plumbing reduces the gas tank size
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aughtsix
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posted May 16, 2006 04:58 PM
Why is it every time a guy asks about a Cal spec bike someone always just has to come back with a weight/performance comment... 
(D - slap yourself please. And do a good job...)
I don't give a flyin rat's furry little ass about a 2lb weight difference - heck that's, what, a quart of stout. And I'm not concerned about any difference in horsepower.
It's the damned extra vacuum lines and plumbing I don't want any part of...
When I spend my hard-earned money on something, I don't see why I should have to alter the thing to pull off what shouldn't have been there in the first place ( unless I'm not offered an alternative - like catastrophic perverters for instance. They're on the new 14 regardless whether it's a 49 State bike or a Cal bike).
So my decision is to not buy a Cal spec bike unless and until that's all that's offered for sale in the good 'ol US of A.
A little bedtime story ferya: I chased an elusive vacuum leak on my 'ol Cal spec ZX-11 that drove me nuts. It wasn't until I stripped the bike of all 'unnecessary' crap that it finally disappeared. Probably some tiny pinhole in one of the lines or an imperfect fit to a vacuum nipple or - who knows.
Bottom line is, if I can save myself the hassle by letting the Fruits and Nuts brigade keep their F'n stuff down there, all the better for me...
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aughtsix
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posted May 16, 2006 05:02 PM
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But in some bikes at least the plumbing reduces the gas tank size
True - by half a gallon typically. Also not wanted.
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aughtsix
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posted May 16, 2006 05:04 PM
Havabusa12r - Where is the charcoal cannister? Is it visible in the tailsection like the 12r's ??
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posted May 16, 2006 05:14 PM
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But in some bikes at least the plumbing reduces the gas tank size
True - by half a gallon typically. Also not wanted.
Fuel tank capacity on the ZX14 is identical between Cal and non-Cal models
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aughtsix
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posted May 16, 2006 05:26 PM
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But in some bikes at least the plumbing reduces the gas tank size
True - by half a gallon typically. Also not wanted.
Fuel tank capacity on the ZX14 is identical between Cal and non-Cal models
Wonder how they pulled that off...
Still won't buy a Cal bike though, even if it held MORE fuel.
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posted May 16, 2006 06:09 PM
 Edited By: havabusa12r on 16 May 2006 19:11
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Havabusa12r - Where is the charcoal cannister? Is it visible in the tailsection like the 12r's ??
Thanks...
I don't have a 14 as of yet......
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posted May 16, 2006 06:24 PM
I can tell you this, and you can take it to the bank if the 14's Cali emissions are set up the way 12's are (and I'd bet they are):
The additional "weight" of the Cali bike is totally negligible.
On the 12 it was a second arm coming out of the Kllen Air pump, 4 feet of vacuum hose and a plastic purge cannister filled with a 1/4 cup of charcoal.
Total weight MAYBE 1/8 lbs, 1/4 lbs at worst 
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posted May 16, 2006 07:23 PM
There are 49 state/Ca model Heres how to tell.
This is a listing of matching Models in the Catalog Model Notes
ZX1400A6F 49-State Spec. (US)
ZX1400A6FL California Spec.(CA)
NOTE: Even if you did not purchase your vehicle in California, you may have a California (CA) Spec model. To ensure that you are able to select the correct parts for your vehicle, you must know whether your vehicle is a California (CA) spec or 49-State (US) spec model. Look at your warranty registration card; if the model code ends with 'L' you have a California spec vehicle. To go directly to the correct parts list for your vehicle, you may enter your Vehicle Identification Number on the Vehicle Information screen.
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aughtsix
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posted May 16, 2006 09:32 PM
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Originally posted by me, but I wanted to re-emphasize just so there's absolutely no confusion (are we clear? )
Why is it every time a guy asks about a Cal spec bike someone always just has to come back with a weight/performance comment...
I don't give a flyin rat's furry little ass about a 2lb weight difference - heck that's, what, a quart of stout. And I'm not concerned about any difference in horsepower.
It's the damned extra vacuum lines and plumbing I don't want any part of...
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TJ
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posted May 16, 2006 10:05 PM
Certainly your choice. I just wouldn't make a mountain out of a molehill.
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TheVak
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posted May 17, 2006 02:53 AM
No I posted it because the parts numbers are actually different in some
cases. If I got that from you then I thank you for the info. I'm not really sure
where I found that.
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TheVak
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posted May 21, 2006 12:30 PM
Ok Ok relax I don't claim to have been the first one I had to get it from somewhere
during my reasearch so I thank all that post positive and informative posts. Thanks
guys...............
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posted May 27, 2006 03:28 AM
This is a listing of matching Models in the Catalog Model Notes
ZX1400A6F 49-State Spec. (US)
ZX1400A6FL California Spec.(CA)
NOTE: Even if you did not purchase your vehicle in California, you may have a California (CA) Spec model. To ensure that you are able to select the correct parts for your vehicle, you must know whether your vehicle is a California (CA) spec or 49-State (US) spec model. Look at your warranty registration card; if the model code ends with 'L' you have a California spec vehicle. To go directly to the correct parts list for your vehicle, you may enter your Vehicle Identification Number on the Vehicle Information screen.
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