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posted May 12, 2006 08:31 AM
10R new Brock exhaust Full system runs
I know this is the 14 foum but I had talked about a new Gen 3 full system with PC3USB that I was going to install on my 10R...here's the results after remapping. The system is a full system with a Brock/Hindle Titanium exhaust with a new stock A/F installed...I have some loss at 3700-4700 RPM but the rest is either at or above the stock curve. I wanted some noise and weight loss so I got mostly all I'm looking for and had anticipated the losses at low rpm. Also the humidity was substantially higher on the best run than the stock run so we should see some better results in lower humidity. We were running 94 pump gas and the final run is _009.drf. I think this is as good as it's going to get now. Might try adding a TRE to get back some bottom end...not sure yet, have to call Ivan.
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posted May 12, 2006 10:58 AM
you gained 10 RWHP, on a 1000 cc, which already in a higher state of tune than the 14.
I think its pretty good.
You now have a bike which compares with a stock 06 zx10, for less money than trading up,
ohh and this one fits you better than the 06 zx10 too ?
Numbers do not tell all though!
Hows the drivability with Brocs mapping?
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posted May 12, 2006 11:36 AM
The mapping Brock gave me was _006.drf. We used that and then tuned for a few hours to get to _009.drf. I don't know about driveability cuz its pissing like fuck here today...so I won't pickup till tomorrow. I can see the drop at low RPM which I know I'll feel, but truth be told, I don't much hang around in that range anyway...usually cruising betwen 6-7k where I see some gains. If I pick her up tomorrow, Ill take her out Sunday and check to see what I've gained (and lost). Funny thing is that RWTQ didn't go up much across the top end, more in the middle to up, but I would have expected to see more TQ in line with the HP gain.
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posted May 12, 2006 12:22 PM
and yes, the 05 is way more comfy than the 06 for me...can ride it for 1000 miles in a day and go party afterwards too! Done it!
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posted May 12, 2006 02:43 PM
The map that Brock provides is one of the best he's done. We tried to improve on it at dynojet and it was perfect.
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posted May 12, 2006 02:46 PM
Ya...so he said that too...maybe something to do with the environment here...not sure but we got better results tuning his map, as you can see...not quite what I had hoped for, but nice still.
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posted May 12, 2006 02:46 PM
Add the muzzy thin head gasket and degree the cams and add the ignition module +5 degrees and then you will make some power.... Been there done it! It works You still way down...
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posted May 12, 2006 02:49 PM
Ya I know...read your last post on that. Changing the gasket and cam degree...how much work involved?
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posted May 12, 2006 06:34 PM
I paid my friend to do it.. Check out ivans hp chart he used the kawasaki thin head gasket and not muzzys ( muzzys is thinner ). And his advance wasn't 5 degrees.. he made 169. it will rock then.. 4 to 6 rwhp for advancing the ignition.
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posted May 13, 2006 05:46 PM
So. I got the beast home today, new pipes and all. Can't test it cuz it's pissing and will be for the next 7 days straight...no sun, just rain...imagine my anxiety... 
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posted May 14, 2006 02:36 PM
Need help with this one now -- Bike runs great and pulls hard from 5K up now...but, getting detonation between takeoff and 3K or so...timing? Can it be addressed with the PC3? It's already running 94 octane now...
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posted May 14, 2006 02:49 PM
it will ping down low. Did you add the thin head gasket? Add the ignition module and then it will be way better.. Do you have the TRE??
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posted May 14, 2006 02:51 PM
No, not yet, not sure I'm going to go that route just yet, but need to fix this before I blow an engine...
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posted May 15, 2006 06:56 AM
You best run a pc or it will detonate .. It will detonate at low rpms when u add the thin head gasket and the pc will not fix it unless you have the ignition module.. Add fuel to cells 0-5k rpm using the shit up arrows
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posted May 15, 2006 07:07 AM
Have the PC in there with mapping...now if I understand correctly, you say I should add the ignition module to help prevent detonation...then add more fuel to the low end (0-5K). What about ignition timing adjustments on the PC3? Possible? TRE...do I need to add that?
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posted May 15, 2006 12:12 PM
Steven,
Deposits on the pistons will cause knock!
They will also hurt power by if they are on tulip of the intake valves.
Did you try the fuel system cleansing?
Is this HP with one of the other maps I sent?
Let me know which one and I will send another going in the same direction.
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posted May 15, 2006 12:41 PM
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Ya...so he said that too...maybe something to do with the environment here...not sure but we got better results tuning his map, as you can see...not quite what I had hoped for, but nice still.
so, its detonating on a map of his............. that you modified?
Hmmmm ... just a thought Steve...
I could lean out my dirt bikes and gain power, but the jetting being on the edge was always takin a chance. Alot of the time leaving that last couple of HP on the table was worth it in the long run!
The greedier we get the more expensive it becomes!
Have you tried different fuel sources?
Maybe you got too much of that USA MTBE in that batch ?  .
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posted May 15, 2006 12:52 PM
I just spoke to Brock, he told me to get MR9 to start with and send him the modded map to examine. I located a shop with a better Dyno setup where I will take the bike to using MR9 to clean the injectors out prior to the run's. He says no way should that bike ping at all using his maps...so I'm going to get the MR9 ASAP and start from there. Also mentioned to lower the tire pressure to 30 PSI to avoid wheel slippage and possibly pick up 5-6HP more (on the Dyno). I'm more concerned about the engine knock than the last few ponies and that's what we're going after now... 
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posted May 15, 2006 12:56 PM
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Have the PC in there with mapping...now if I understand correctly, you say I should add the ignition module to help prevent detonation...then add more fuel to the low end (0-5K). What about ignition timing adjustments on the PC3? Possible? TRE...do I need to add that?
Your fuel either really sucks , or you have too much advance likely.....
I know Brock does not want to say its your bike,........ but if hundreds are running the same map with no issue.............?
If its pingin the last thing you want is more advance.... the timing retard eliminator would likely make it worse....
And a thinner headgasket with the increased compression would exagerate the problem too.
If the stock timing is way out..........are you running advanced ignition by some means?
It sounds like you need to retard the timing in the bottom end, so I am wondering if you are running an advance key, or TRE already?
New plugs?
Carbon on the plugs will do that too!
Try simple things first... new fuel, new plugs, have timing checked as per factory specs, tune the PC.
Cam timing may help it too, if the cam timing is off and your not getting the overlap, and resultant blow down more heat is retained in the cylinder from the last power stroke!
Not likely but can make a difference.
Let us know what you find!
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posted May 15, 2006 12:58 PM
whoops you replied too fast .... anyway good luck!
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