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posted May 09, 2006 10:33 AM
Muzzy pipe dyno's? anyone?
I phoned brocks today and was told his pipe production may be a few weeks away!
Thats probably like a month to my door.
My stock mid pipes are dented from crate damage and you know the Kawasaki pipes will be a long wait!
Considering muzzy if the power is compareable.
  
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posted May 09, 2006 04:03 PM
I read somewhere that the Muzzy pipe with no p/c made around 182 rwhp if so that would be 13 to 14 hp over the stock numbers of 168 ... That doesn't sound to out of line for a good pipe .... Even 10 hp would be a big bang in power... and lose 35 pounds to boot !! I really feel for the money Muzzy pipe will do a great job... Will it make as much as brocks? hell if i know... it will be close like 2 or 3 hp i'm sure ...
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posted May 09, 2006 04:07 PM
I installed the Muzzy Stainless Ti Oval on my bike. ( no PC yet )
When I talked to Dave at Muzzy, he said they were seeing 8%
gains with that exhaust. All I can say is that with the bikes
being so rich from the factory ..... it really wakes em up !
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posted May 09, 2006 04:14 PM
Well 8% of 165 hp would be 13.5 hp ....Damn i'm good ...lol lol lol
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posted May 09, 2006 04:15 PM
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Well 8% of 165 hp would be 13.5 hp ....Damn i'm good ...lol lol lol
Yep ....... : )
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posted May 10, 2006 07:50 PM
 Edited By: mrsantafe on 10 May 2006 20:52
So the stock system weighs approximately 40 lb's. How much does muzzy's weigh??
Last but not least did anyone finally post a dynochart yet?
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CrazyKenny
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posted May 11, 2006 04:38 AM
Muzzy stainless/stainless weights in at 14.6 lbs. Shaving a good 25 lbs!!!! I have one.
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TJ
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posted May 11, 2006 07:08 AM
I presume you mean stainless/aluminium. I don't think Muzzys makes stainless/stainless pipes for the ZX14.
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posted May 11, 2006 07:16 AM
14.5 lbs.. Wow that is heavy for and aftermarket exhaust but I guess u get what you pay for.
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posted May 11, 2006 08:47 AM
Edited By: TeamSpeed on 11 May 2006 09:49
You are going to be able to use 7% more of the HP/TQ with the weight loss, then gain another 8% additional hp. The numbers were 52 lbs for the entire stock exhaust I thought, 18lb each muffler and 16 for the header, shaving off 35-37 lbs from a 530 wet weight bike.
This sounds like it would add up roughly 15% in equivalent hp gain when you are done! 180 hp at the rear roughly with the exhaust, but equivalent to 193 total with the weight savings.
Is my math/logic correct? I need this exhaust, with the PC3r, it should be equivalent to a 200 rwhp machine... 
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posted May 11, 2006 09:15 AM
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I presume you mean stainless/aluminium. I don't think Muzzys makes stainless/stainless pipes for the ZX14.
yep, they do
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posted May 11, 2006 11:14 AM
Check out the Boz Brothers exhaust system. Thats Eric Bostrom and Bens company they have a full exhaust that weighs around 8 pounds and its not even a Ti system. http://www.bozbros.com/ ??? This is a new company but with those names it proably will do good and I do like the slash cut mufflers sounds wicked
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posted May 11, 2006 11:23 AM
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I presume you mean stainless/aluminium. I don't think Muzzys makes stainless/stainless pipes for the ZX14.
My Muzzy is stainlees pipe with an oval stainless can .... Sure he makes them....
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smokinZX14
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posted May 11, 2006 11:26 AM
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You are going to be able to use 7% more of the HP/TQ with the weight loss, then gain another 8% additional hp. The numbers were 52 lbs for the entire stock exhaust I thought, 18lb each muffler and 16 for the header, shaving off 35-37 lbs from a 530 wet weight bike.
This sounds like it would add up roughly 15% in equivalent hp gain when you are done! 180 hp at the rear roughly with the exhaust, but equivalent to 193 total with the weight savings.
Is my math/logic correct? I need this exhaust, with the PC3r, it should be equivalent to a 200 rwhp machine...
I don't know if you math is good but it sounds good to me !!! Yep the weight is going to help for sure, how much i have no clue.. But your 180 hp numbers sounds about right for the pipe...
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posted May 11, 2006 11:56 AM
The figure that sticks in my mind is 7 lbs = 1 hp.
That would mean an 'addition' of approximately 5 hp IF the real difference between an aftermarket system and the stock system is 35 lbs. I don't believe it's that much.
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posted May 11, 2006 12:54 PM
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I presume you mean stainless/aluminium. I don't think Muzzys makes stainless/stainless pipes for the ZX14.
My Muzzy is stainlees pipe with an oval stainless can .... Sure he makes them....[/quote
My mistake. You learn something new every day 
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posted May 11, 2006 01:43 PM
So, my question is: Are the HP gains from weight loss reflected on a Dyno? I would say not, but just curious to hear from someone in the know.
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posted May 11, 2006 02:01 PM
Edited By: zerMATT on 11 May 2006 15:02
There are no HP gains from weight loss. Acceleration, however, will improve based the fact that your power is moving less weight down the road. You could do some math to calculate a comparable HP number from that, but you'd only ever feel the "gain" while accelerating the entire weight package (the bike, you, etc) - which doesn't happen on a dyno since the only things moving are the drivetrain and the dyno resistance drum.
Now if your rear wheel weighed less, that might increase your RWHP number on a dyno, but only because you are having to rotate that mass to calculate HP and TQ numbers.
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fastestbusaaround
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posted May 11, 2006 02:24 PM
Ya...that's what I thought. Unless we talk about net horsepower.
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posted May 12, 2006 12:35 PM
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I phoned brocks today and was told his pipe production may be a few weeks away!
Thats probably like a month to my door.
My stock mid pipes are dented from crate damage and you know the Kawasaki pipes will be a long wait!
Considering muzzy if the power is compareable.
No dyno, no go.
........ and once again we wait
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posted May 12, 2006 09:09 PM
so it is okay to change the full exhaust and not have the PC out yet??
thanks for the info.
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posted May 12, 2006 09:18 PM
Yup.
apparently the 14 is jetted quite rich, and runs pretty good without PC and full exhaust.
Zx10 Pc3 will work with some wire changes apparently too.
Just what Ryan Schnitz had reported before.
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