Drowland
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posted May 07, 2006 04:12 AM
ZX14 complaints
Alright I'm not one of these people who try to glorify my purchase because its my bike.. I tell you like it is and here I go.. Does the 14 have a close ratio transmission? Hell No! Real problem for me in the tight twisties because of the engine braking. This 14 is far from a supersport bike. About lost it yesterday. And for this low rpm torque I have a real issue with it as well. This bike is a turd right out of the crate! I will do some mods and see what happens. I will proably buy another supersport bike as well and debate on whether to keep this bike...
   
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fastestbusaaround
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posted May 07, 2006 04:29 AM
Drowland You never have anything good to say about anything...you're always sour on every subject. no matter what....all you do is complain about everything and anything. No one around here seems to respond to your comments -- ever wonder why? Hell, you even get into pissing contests on the other boards too....You seem to be a very angry man -- why don't you just lighten up and enjoy life?
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posted May 07, 2006 04:32 AM
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Drowland
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posted May 07, 2006 04:38 AM
Sorry to be so sour really not like that in person. I've been sour about selling my 04 10R and going bikeless for so long. And when I'm on the interenet thinking about bike I am just get ill. The new 10R doesn't fit me.. I will try to loosing up..
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posted May 07, 2006 04:45 AM
Damn! Sounds like a real piece a shit. Must be sorry you bought it, huh? Probly get someone to take it off your hands. I'll give you 7500 for it, being a used bike and all.
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bigbore4
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posted May 07, 2006 04:47 AM
You had to realize that the 14 was a completely different bike than the 12 and especially the 10. It really can't be as bad as you are making it out to be. At least get the thing broken in, maybe you'll get used to it.
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Drowland
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posted May 07, 2006 04:52 AM
Positive Post here! Check this out! This was a post of Brock Davidison
Guys,
I made 194 HP yesterday with my new 14 with less than 200 miles. Gen 3 pipe, modified zx-10 power commander with my map, no air cleaner, oil change with MR9......
The bike ran a 9.72@ 153 mph....YOU CAN'T RIDE THE THING!
The Kaw boys really did their homework before hand- this bike is STUPID fast with aftermarket goodies added.
I love Busa's....but it isn't even close stock engine with add-ons apples to apples.
Brock
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Ps. I will have a complete timeline/diary from the time I picked up my bike to the testing at the track 3 times this week on my site very soon.
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fastestbusaaround
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posted May 07, 2006 04:54 AM
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Sorry to be so sour really not like that in person. I've been sour about selling my 04 10R and going bikeless for so long. And when I'm on the interenet thinking about bike I am just get ill. The new 10R doesn't fit me.. I will try to loosing up..
I have the 05 10R -- have ridden the 06 and fully understand your concerns. That's exactly why I kept my 05 too...comfort much greater than the 06. The 14 excels in that department too...I'm sure you'll enjoy it dude!
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Drowland
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posted May 07, 2006 04:55 AM
Looks like the 14 will really come alive with aftermarket goodies just like the ZX12R did. My 2002 ZX12R did 176 rwhp with pipe and pc.. My 2000 busa with same mods did 165 rwhp. Now just to get the mods!
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fastestbusaaround
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posted May 07, 2006 04:55 AM
That's some serious power Brock's talking about...gotta get that happening...
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posted May 07, 2006 05:17 AM
OK lets start positive. This is the best handling super-sportsbike i've ever ridden, most likely built but I'm going to point out some preventable faults. THIS IS NOT THE KIND OF MOTORCYCLE MAINTENANCE CAN BE IGNORED ON. Things happen too fast on the 14. Example fork oil will begin to fail about 3-5,000 miles, I'm hoping, FBA and Fish will back my thinkings up. Handling will begin to suffer with the TQ of this bike some people are going to start to get themself in trouble. Something that the 14 did well at 2000 miles may be work at 6-7000 miles, worse above 10K. The heat coming off my 14 at 400 miles is bad real bad. Knowing the way my VFR heated up when I was breaking her in I feel pretty confident that this is a temp situation. I will switch coolant after 8K if the heat does continue. Rear brake is slighly better than a block of wood, but this is hardly news I wrote about this back in March after my Daytona trip. Clearly if your pushing the performance you need to throw some HH pads or = in there. I use my bike everyday rain, cold hot and sports touring it's going to be ridden there are ways to cure many of this bikes blemishes. I'm not negative as much as the Tech who RIDES and between you all and me, I'll figure out a fix for just about everything provided the answer is out there. BTW Blitz thanks for the coolant info. Give the bike some time, if you feel this way in say 3-4 months then consider selling her but a couple weeks is not enough time to have the motor set up, things will get better with every mile. My VFR did not really break in til about 9000 miles or about 2 months. ;^).
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posted May 07, 2006 05:27 AM
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posted May 07, 2006 05:51 AM
I'm just happy that I'm getting a brand new bike to replace my beloved ZZR1100. But first the damn thing has to get to my dealer.... That's my only complaint.
Plus I need aftermarket stuff to be released ASAP because a mate of mine is going to the states for a month and I want him to load up on some goodies to bring back to Australia for me.
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fastestbusaaround
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posted May 07, 2006 06:33 AM
ZX61114 -- I agree with you on the heat and rear brake...had the same brakes on my Busa but it never bothered me...I think this is deliberate to ensure rider safety in a panic brake...but as far as the fork oil failing...what indication do you have to this? I know it seems to bottom out on semi hard bumps....is that what you're seeing? Heat...I don't think there's much we can do, this puppy is not well vented from the rad...the rad removes the heat well, and does it's job, but the fairing design was not engineered for rider comfort (heat ). Even if you can get it to run a few measly degrees cooler, it won't much matter IMO...the real issue is the overall design...03-05 FJR had the same issue and it was not resolved until they made design changes resultig in a 1/2 new bike this year...better fans only make this situation worse as all it will do is blow more hot air on to the rider's legs...I can't wait till it hits 90's here...gonna bring some corn to roast on the bike...LOL. Boots and leathers help, but at 90+...ouch! Let us know more about the fork oil issue though, I'm very curious. Handling suffering from TQ - I had busa's and they had that issue, hence why KHI killed that low end TQ I'm sure...but you're 100% right on that...this bike is not for the faint of heart...and the day you think you've got it mastered is when you should get off, park it and go home...this thing will bite riders in the ass...it has to be feared and treated with the utmost respect...Ride on man!
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posted May 07, 2006 08:22 AM
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I can't wait till it hits 90's here...gonna bring some corn to roast on the bike...LOL. Boots and leathers help, but at 90+...ouch!
Well its the 90's here in Vegas and let me tell you the air coming off the motor is HOT!!!
Its not one of those deals were you sit there and say..I think i feel somthing. Dont know about the position of your legs when you guys ride but were it gets me is right around the knee area.
To bad i love rolling this bike down the road more than i care about the heat. Once its mid summer here (115+) ill never notice and if the bike gets too hot there are plenty of strip clubs to stop at while she cools off. 
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posted May 07, 2006 08:39 AM
 Edited By: dubious on 7 May 2006 09:43
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ZX61114 -- I agree with you on the heat and rear brake...had the same brakes on my Busa but it never bothered me...I think this is deliberate to ensure rider safety in a panic brake...but as far as the fork oil failing...what indication do you have to this? I know it seems to bottom out on semi hard bumps....is that what you're seeing? Heat...I don't think there's much we can do, this puppy is not well vented from the rad...the rad removes the heat well, and does it's job, but the fairing design was not engineered for rider comfort (heat ). Even if you can get it to run a few measly degrees cooler, it won't much matter IMO...the real issue is the overall design...03-05 FJR had the same issue and it was not resolved until they made design changes resultig in a 1/2 new bike this year...better fans only make this situation worse as all it will do is blow more hot air on to the rider's legs...I can't wait till it hits 90's here...gonna bring some corn to roast on the bike...LOL. Boots and leathers help, but at 90+...ouch! Let us know more about the fork oil issue though, I'm very curious. Handling suffering from TQ - I had busa's and they had that issue, hence why KHI killed that low end TQ I'm sure...but you're 100% right on that...this bike is not for the faint of heart...and the day you think you've got it mastered is when you should get off, park it and go home...this thing will bite riders in the ass...it has to be feared and treated with the utmost respect...Ride on man!
I agree completely, and the body work was designed for performance pure and simple.
If they had directed the heat out the back of the bike it would be heating up the fuel tank and systems and likely the airbox too!
HP = heat
Buy a moped if you want a cool ride!
the gear ratios will be tight too!
I'm pullin your chain Drowland!
I don't know what to say except the bike refined, responsive and powerful.
I love it!
No twisty's in these parts sooo...
It suits my needs perfectly
Point and shoot
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posted May 07, 2006 08:52 AM
well i did get to meet some KHI engineneers from japan last week.their here to develop the zx14 more
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fastestbusaaround
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posted May 07, 2006 01:52 PM
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I can't wait till it hits 90's here...gonna bring some corn to roast on the bike...LOL. Boots and leathers help, but at 90+...ouch!
Well its the 90's here in Vegas and let me tell you the air coming off the motor is HOT!!!
Its not one of those deals were you sit there and say..I think i feel somthing. Dont know about the position of your legs when you guys ride but were it gets me is right around the knee area.
To bad i love rolling this bike down the road more than i care about the heat. Once its mid summer here (115+) ill never notice and if the bike gets too hot there are plenty of strip clubs to stop at while she cools off.
Ouch! Anyway, glad I ain't the only one noticing the heat...this baby compares to the R1 from a heat point of view, except that the R1 blows heat even at 160...sux.
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posted May 07, 2006 02:57 PM
Edited By: smokinZX14 on 7 May 2006 15:58
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I can't wait till it hits 90's here...gonna bring some corn to roast on the bike...LOL. Boots and leathers help, but at 90+...ouch!
Well its the 90's here in Vegas and let me tell you the air coming off the motor is HOT!!!
Its not one of those deals were you sit there and say..I think i feel somthing. Dont know about the position of your legs when you guys ride but were it gets me is right around the knee area.
To bad i love rolling this bike down the road more than i care about the heat. Once its mid summer here (115+) ill never notice and if the bike gets too hot there are plenty of strip clubs to stop at while she cools off.
Yup the knees is where i'm getting the heat ... I just have to remember to spread my legs like a $10 hooker......If you get them away from the tank a few inches it really helps....Now i know why all HD rides legs are pointed out ...lol ...lol...
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posted May 07, 2006 03:02 PM
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I just have to remember to spread my legs like a $10 hooker......Now i know why all HD rides legs are pointed out ...lol ...lol...
Naw...
The hardley folks ride that way so the crabs don't bite so much...
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posted May 07, 2006 03:16 PM
Harley's don't put out near as much heat...in fact, the 1450's put no heat to the rider at all...of course you have all that displacement and no power...
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posted May 07, 2006 03:55 PM
How does the seat height compare to the 12? I sat on a 14 yesterday and I didn't feel like the seat was any lower than a 12, but I could be mistaken and I would like to hear how some of the 14 owners think.
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TJ
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posted May 07, 2006 04:24 PM
The seat height feels the same as the ZX12R. I think it is about 1 inch lower according to magazines. In the real world, I'm not convinced that 1 inch is noticable. I can't notice it but....I'm 6'5...
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posted May 07, 2006 05:11 PM
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ZX61114 -- I agree with you on the heat and rear brake... Let us know more about the fork oil issue though, I'm very curious. Handling suffering from TQ - I had busa's and they had that issue, hence why KHI killed that low end TQ I'm sure...but you're 100% right on that...this bike is not for the faint of heart...and the day you think you've got it mastered is when you should get off, park it and go home...this thing will bite riders in the ass...it has to be feared and treated with the utmost respect...Ride on man!
FBA Fork oil is so importaint and almost always ignored. I've met several racers whom I have enormas respect and they kept hammering the fork oil and brake/clutch fluid issue with me. It was not until I hi-sided my VFR that the message became crystal clear. It was a cold morning and I throttled up and hit the brakes quickly not so much hard. The forks dive allowed the rear tire to push the bike forward, Front tire stopping rear tire pushing forward (I suspect chain momentum and lack of Braking traction) caused to bike to go down. I had no idea why it happened and went over and over in my head trying to figure it out. Harley cop explained it to me (the next day) he seemed to be pretty sharp. Keeping in mind the both forks and rear shock had 41,000 miles, a major screw up on my part.
Then last year at Deals gap I met a couple of guys from Honda Marine. One guy was a manager the other a master machanic. The Manager says to me that the Machanic was increadable, the guy can tear down a engine figure out what went wrong and rebuild it in a day with full report of the results, a natural with machines. When we talked he told me Quote When he gets a new bike at 600 miles he changes oil, filter and fork oil. The fork oil from the factory is garbage." Well I'm not that anal plus I don't have a shop manual yet so I'll wait 8-10,000 miles to do it right. Having fresh oil is basicly the difference between stopping quickly with only the front brake or the combination front and rear braking. The combo braking is just more controlled thus safer. The VFR is somewhat forgiving when I over brake (linked brakes), the ZX with too much dive may give even the most experenced rider trouble. Hope I did a decent job explaining.
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zx61114
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posted May 07, 2006 05:18 PM
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The seat height feels the same as the ZX12R. I think it is about 1 inch lower according to magazines. In the real world, I'm not convinced that 1 inch is noticable. I can't notice it but....I'm 6'5...
TJ, I have to agree, in Daytona I'm almost sure was at least an inch lower than the way my zx came. I will go out and lower the shock some being 5 foot 4 I'm not a huge fan of tip-toeing.
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