fastestbusaaround
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posted May 03, 2006 12:03 PM
Cool brake concept!
Was cruisin on Hayabusa .org and found this...check it out...very cool idea...
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/Article_Page.aspx?ArticleID=3207&Page=1
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posted May 03, 2006 12:21 PM
Was reading about that. Could be big..
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fastestbusaaround
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posted May 03, 2006 12:37 PM
I thought when I read that, wow, this is really slick, only thing I can see is premature wear due to the rotor spinning in reverse at 2.5X the speed, but that would mean better, higher wear pad design would be required...now I know that everyone in this forum who has a ZX or a Busa would disable it due to the slight HP loss... 
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posted May 03, 2006 01:17 PM
Interesting concept, but it sacrifices simplicity in the process. Imagine of one of the additional bearings or gears got out of whack and went "askew" while at speed? Part of what makes current wheel and brake design work so well is it's simplicity. Add a bunch of junk up there and who knows what might happen when a part fails.
Ever see inside of a 3-speed bicycle hub? That's about what I picture is going on inside of this setup. There's lots of stuff to go wrong in there.
Nonetheless, it's intriguing. 
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fastestbusaaround
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posted May 03, 2006 02:01 PM
If I think about what you are saying Matt...you are right but on the other hand, look at what makes your bike tick now...all the computers (more than 2) are tied together with Canbus [urlhttp://www.canbus.us/[/url] and this is how they communicate with each other...all the critical componenents such as ABS, ECM, VSS, Tach info, all of your cluster information, etc...are communicating through a databus via a dual wire data comm system. Your bike runs on computers. This is only one example, as most vehicles today use Can or J1850 prototcol to communicate. The only difference, is that we are talking electrical here instead of mechanical. In time, as they develop the systems, they will become way more reliable and will have less negative impact on the rider/vehicle. Years ago when ABS hit the street, same concerns were noted, yet most vehicles have it as an option today and it has proven to be safe and quite reliable, perhaps not as effective as touted to be, but nevertheless it works seamlessly. I see some tremendous benefits to the technology he has developed...will it be widely embraced? Who knows...but it might be a great budding technology...or not. Time will eventually tell. ABS sacrifices simplicity too, but it's a great technology and while not for everyone, it saves asshole-buttfuck riders who don't know their ass from a hole in the wall! (sometimes)
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posted May 03, 2006 06:25 PM
Good point. But neither the data systems or ABS systems of a motorcycle have the capability of locking a front wheel *hard* in the event of a failure. In the case of ABS, yes, a catostrophic failure could result in a loss of front brakes, but I'd rather not have front brakes and have a few moments to decide my best course of action than to have the front lock up immediately with no warning when a torque-multiplying gear turns sideways in that screwy arrangement...
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