ninjaatnite
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posted April 30, 2006 03:38 PM
muzzy full system w/o power commander
can you install a full system on the zx14 without the power commander? i don't want to have the same problems that i had with my 2000 zx12R. it never idle right.
  
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Drowland
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posted April 30, 2006 03:47 PM
Yes you can however it will not run smooth (no bike will) some bikes you will loose power.. Map it right or you wasting your money.
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swft
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posted April 30, 2006 03:56 PM
 Edited By: swft on 30 Apr 2006 17:03
I should read the post better.
Yah, the big pipes on the muzzy don't have enough back pressure to keep the idle smooth and fuel correctly at low rpm. Some other systems like TiForce or Akro are better idle due to their smaller collectors.
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zxbob
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posted April 30, 2006 05:54 PM
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Yes you can however it will not run smooth (no bike will) some bikes you will loose power.. Map it right or you wasting your money.
I am not any problems with mine, it idles smooth, runs like a raped ape and
has no heating issues others seem to have.
Just my .02
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Drowland
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posted April 30, 2006 06:05 PM
So you are saying that the fuel map is right for The 14? I've never owned a bike where it ran good with no jet kit or proper fuel mapping and I've owned at least 9 sportbikes.. When I was working at a powersports dealerships I would get kicks out of kids that buy pipes for their bike and do before and after dyno runs and watch their impressions. Some loose horespower.. I do not know of the 14 it must be a Freak... I need a exhaust now but I want a full ti system.. But Bob unless you prove me wrong I would have to disagree. It might have more power however the power delievery is proably not smooth and have stubbling points in the rev range somewhere..
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TJ
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posted April 30, 2006 07:16 PM
I was able to spend lots of time running the dyno when I went to MMI. We all know proper fuel management is required have an engine run at optimum efficiency. With that said, a more freely flowing pipe would most likely not hurt horsepower (without a new map). I believe these ZX-14s run rich from the factory (at least mine does). With that in mind, a new pipe might still have the thing running at an acceptable level until the PC3s come out 
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zxbob
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posted April 30, 2006 07:21 PM
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So you are saying that the fuel map is right for The 14? I've never owned a bike where it ran good with no jet kit or proper fuel mapping and I've owned at least 9 sportbikes.. When I was working at a powersports dealerships I would get kicks out of kids that buy pipes for their bike and do before and after dyno runs and watch their impressions. Some loose horespower.. I do not know of the 14 it must be a Freak... I need a exhaust now but I want a full ti system.. But Bob unless you prove me wrong I would have to disagree. It might have more power however the power delievery is proably not smooth and have stubbling points in the rev range somewhere..
No..... It should be re-mapped. However the bike does run very strong. Dyno runs
have shown that the 14 is "fat" in its mid range and top end, adding the pipe helps
some of that.
Adding the PC is a must to get the maximum HP - but that being said, the addition
of a pipe without a PC can be done and with positive results.
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aughtsix
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posted April 30, 2006 07:51 PM
Hey ZXBob - I haven't seen one up close and personal, so what do you think of the build quality of your Muzzy system? Does it look like a well designed, professionally built system or some p.o.s. cobbed together in a high school shop class...
Just curious.
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TJ
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posted April 30, 2006 07:58 PM
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Hey ZXBob - I haven't seen one up close and personal, so what do you think of the build quality of your Muzzy system? Does it look like a well designed, professionally built system or some p.o.s. cobbed together in a high school shop class...
Just curious.
I have not seen the ZX-14 Muzzy system in person yet but I'm sure it is "well designed" and "professionally built". I have owned a couple Muzzy exhaust systems and seen many others and they are never "cobbled together". Rob Muzzy has been in the exhaust game for many, many years. Don't think for a second that he does not know what he is doing.
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smokinZX14
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posted April 30, 2006 07:58 PM
Muzzy and brock have both said the bike loves a pipe even without a PC......They both said the zx14 is stupid rich in the mid and upper RPMs and a pipe alone really make great HP .. It will get some extra power with a PC and a good map.......ZXBob has told you it works and makes sick fast power up top .... What else do you need to hear?
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swft
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posted April 30, 2006 08:55 PM
That sounds like good news to me...
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robmuzzy
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posted May 01, 2006 08:44 AM
Yes you can run the MUZZY ZX-14 pipe without a power commander without any bad effects. However for best performance we recommend the use of some type of tuning device to make sure the air fuel ratio is correct at all rpm. That said, you must remember that the stock bike mapping is a compromise and rarely correct for every area. Which of course is the reason for Dyno's and tuneup centers.
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swiftkart
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posted May 01, 2006 09:38 AM
Edited By: swiftkart on 1 May 2006 12:40
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So you are saying that the fuel map is right for The 14? I've never owned a bike where it ran good with no jet kit or proper fuel mapping and I've owned at least 9 sportbikes.. When I was working at a powersports dealerships I would get kicks out of kids that buy pipes for their bike and do before and after dyno runs and watch their impressions. Some loose horespower.. I do not know of the 14 it must be a Freak... I need a exhaust now but I want a full ti system.. But Bob unless you prove me wrong I would have to disagree. It might have more power however the power delievery is proably not smooth and have stubbling points in the rev range somewhere..
You must not have read the post by Brock, the bike gained at least 17 or more hp with no tuning and 4 to 6 ft lbs, they are way to rich and the pipe leans them down to make a noticable gain so I guess the 14 is a freak.
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MAXIMUS
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posted May 01, 2006 10:05 AM
Dam i have not even seen the bike in person yet and they are already installing a muzzy system, dam time is passing me by.
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Stalwart
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posted May 01, 2006 11:05 AM
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Muzzy and brock have both said the bike loves a pipe even without a PC......They both said the zx14 is stupid rich in the mid and upper RPMs and a pipe alone really make great HP .. It will get some extra power with a PC and a good map.......ZXBob has told you it works and makes sick fast power up top .... What else do you need to hear?
This and Rob's comments made me order a titanium/titanium one today, not in stock but I guess you guys are buying them up at a feverish rate! The stainless/stainless could've shiped today but I like look of Ti better.
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bishopzx12
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posted May 01, 2006 01:17 PM
Muzzy stainless with titanium can for me. Ordered about two months ago
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scificanada
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posted May 01, 2006 01:41 PM
Well someone has smiled on me and mine has finally arrived here in Toronto.
I am told I can throw a leg over a red one on wednesday and my blue one will be ready, friday or Monday.
That said I started looking into pipes for this beast in january whenI ordered the Bike.
I just called and ordered a Full system in Stainless with carbon Fiber can....
Thanks for the info
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scificanada
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posted May 01, 2006 01:42 PM
what the hell is a "Parking attendant" as listed beside my name?
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zxbob
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posted May 01, 2006 01:53 PM
quote:
Hey ZXBob - I haven't seen one up close and personal, so what do you think of the build quality of your Muzzy system? Does it look like a well designed, professionally built system or some p.o.s. cobbed together in a high school shop class...
Just curious.
Fit and finish are great. In the pic of my bike you can see I did t he Stainless / Ti oval.
Muzzy did not rush ...... the pipe is beautiful.
Bob
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aughtsix
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posted May 01, 2006 05:56 PM
Edited By: aughtsix on 1 May 2006 20:42
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quote:
Hey ZXBob - I haven't seen one up close and personal, so what do you think of the build quality of your Muzzy system? Does it look like a well designed, professionally built system or some p.o.s. cobbed together in a high school shop class...
Just curious.
Fit and finish are great. In the pic of my bike you can see I did t he Stainless / Ti oval.
Muzzy did not rush ...... the pipe is beautiful.
Bob
Thanks Bob - good to know.
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