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posted April 25, 2006 04:19 AM
14 VS Busa
Ok guys, you've had these things long enough now...we need to know -- how does the 14 pull from the start against the Busa? How do she pull from a roll on at 2K against a Busa? I'e been hearing about the famous flat 3.5-4k spot that none of the guys who did the Vegas trip wrote about - but want to hear from those of you who've got one now. Will she power wheelie at 3K or so? I guess I'll find out for myself in the next few days, but would still like to know what y'all have experienced...also, has anyone redlined it in 1st yet? Whats the top speed in 1st? How does she feel ai 250KM/H? Zermatt...Toolman?
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posted April 25, 2006 06:10 AM
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No redline for me, yet. Power wheelie at 3k? No fuckin' way. 5k, hell yes... even in 5th at about 100mph on Sunday (well, there was a slight drop in the road  ).
I've got a friend with an '06 busa, but he wasn't on the ride Sunday, maybe next time. By then I'll be happy to do a few roll-ons and run it to redline.
Redline in 1st? I'm not sure I've got the balls to try that out... talk about wheelie city!!! I may work my way up there carefully one day just to see, but any sort of 3/4 to full throttle in 1st means instant wheelie. You've got to be a little gentle with it in 1st above 6k... or at least I do, and I'm NOT light!
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posted April 25, 2006 06:27 AM
Ya baby -- that's what I'm talking about man! Im not light ether at 6'2" and 210 LBS. You're getting me all hard now...(relatively speaking). I'm dyin to get mine...
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posted April 25, 2006 06:59 AM
fastestbusaaround I myself am not worried about the zx14 vs Busa ... I feel pretty good about the outcome of a stock Busa Vs stock zx14 ...I'm more worried about the zx10 or 1k Gixxers from a roll on .... My zx10 and my friends Gixxer would just walk away from the Busa... Please note i'm talking about roll ons and not a dead stop drag race where the Busa would most likely win ... If and when i get the zx14 it will not be long before i find out first hand ....  You own a zx10 also so you know how hard that bikes hits above 7 grand .. I hope the zx14 has a great mid range and has a few bikes on the zx10 before that thing hits it's power band ...
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posted April 25, 2006 07:04 AM
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posted April 25, 2006 07:23 AM
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The flat spot beneath 4000 rpm seems to be a really bad one. I spoke to one of the german intro test riders yesterday and he mentioned that it had very little grunt beneath 5000 rpm. for such a large engine. If you're in 6th gear there is no such thing as a quick overtake with just a twist of the wrist. Instead you have to downshift at least two or three gears. The Japanese engineers said they made the bike this way so that it wouldn't be too intimidating or dangerous for relatively inexperienced riders (This seems a load of B.S. to me as if some young riders wouldn't be tempted to find out what te bike has to offer in the higher rpm regions)
The 14 will probably be challenged in high gear low speed roll-ons buy quite a few liter bikes as it doesn't seem to have a busa like torque at 2000rpm in 6th gear. The bike really seems to be restricted in the lower rpm range. (maybe and hopefully this can be undone rather easilly - I don't know)
Above 6000 rpm it seems to be blindingly fast though and keeps pulling in an astonishing way far beyond 155 mph. It reaches it speedo limit of 186 mph (299 kph) already in fifth and keeps pulling strongly in 6 th.
Even at those speeds the bike is as stable as a train. Only in the twisties with the pilot in "race mode" the bike feels a little wobly due to the comfort oriented front and rear spring setup.
Surprinsingly the bike seems to be incredibly agile at low speed and really enables the rider to filter through city traffic or make narrow U-turns in a way it seems almost unreal for a bike of this size.
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posted April 25, 2006 07:48 AM
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fastestbusaaround I myself am not worried about the zx14 vs Busa ... I feel pretty good about the outcome of a stock Busa Vs stock zx14 ...I'm more worried about the zx10 or 1k Gixxers from a roll on .... My zx10 and my friends Gixxer would just walk away from the Busa... Please note i'm talking about roll ons and not a dead stop drag race where the Busa would most likely win ... If and when i get the zx14 it will not be long before i find out first hand .... You own a zx10 also so you know how hard that bikes hits above 7 grand .. I hope the zx14 has a great mid range and has a few bikes on the zx10 before that thing hits it's power band ...
Yup, I agree - she hits like a freight train at 7K, even with the stock setup. I have pulled away from my own Busa with it when geared down at many different RPM's and speeds, but nothing gets me as excited as the low end "rip yer arms out of their sockets" pull of the Busa. I hope this puppy pulls like that at mid range too.
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posted April 25, 2006 07:50 AM
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The flat spot beneath 4000 rpm seems to be a really bad one. I spoke to one of the german intro test riders yesterday and he mentioned that it had very little grunt beneath 5000 rpm. for such a large engine. If you're in 6th gear there is no such thing as a quick overtake with just a twist of the wrist. Instead you have to downshift at least two or three gears. The Japanese engineers said they made the bike this way so that it wouldn't be to intimidating or dangerous for relatively inexperienced riders (This seems a load of B.S. to me as if some young riders wouldn't be tempted to find out what te bike has to offer in the higher rpm regions)
The 14 will probably be challenged in high gear low speed roll-ons buy quite a few liter bikes as it doesn't seem to have a busa like torque at 2000rpm in 6th gear. The bike really seems to be restricted in the lower rpm range. (maybe and hopefully this can be undone rather easilly - I don't know)
Above 6000 rpm it seems to be blindingly fast though and keeps pulling in an astonishing way far beyond 155 mph. It reaches it speedo limit of 186 mph (299 kph) already in fifth and keeps pulling strongly in 6 th.
Even at those speeds the bike is as stable as a train. Only in the twisties with the pilot in "race mode" the bike feels a little wobly due to the comfort oriented front and rear spring setup.
Surprinsingly the bike seems to be incredibly agile at low speed and really enables the rider to filter through city traffic or make narrow U-turns in a way it seems almost unreal for a bike of this size.
Ninja Rider (sitting on the fence)
One thing for sure, it'll out handle the Busa.
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posted April 26, 2006 07:55 AM
Most Busas out there have been modded, and a lot have turbos, so remember that before you go "Hayabusa Hunting", I guess Hayabusas are like a box of chocolates, ya never know what your gonna get.
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posted April 26, 2006 08:34 AM
No way at 3.5k Like Zermatt the fun starts at 5k. In first you have the feather at 7k or it will skyshot and then you HAVE TO BACKOFF. More to follow. Post with your thoughts.
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posted April 26, 2006 08:36 AM
That's exactly what I want...at 7K on the 10R, she's skyward bound with no pull up or bounce...just straight power from a twist! Bring it on man...bring it on.
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posted April 26, 2006 08:51 AM
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Most Busas out there have been modded, and a lot have turbos, so remember that before you go "Hayabusa Hunting", I guess Hayabusas are like a box of chocolates, ya never know what your gonna get.
...if a guy/gal on a ZX-14 doesn't know what a stock or piped busa looks like and goes busa hunting, then he/she deserves to be handed his/her ass if he/she didn't see the turbo'd busa's tell-tale exhaust pipe....now a NOS-plumbed busa might be harder to figure out....so would a ZX-14 on juice ....hmmm...where would one hide the bottle(s) on the 14?
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posted April 26, 2006 08:58 AM
Might have to pull out the glove for a 'cavity search'...
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posted April 26, 2006 08:59 AM
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posted April 26, 2006 09:40 AM
Roll ons?
I always thought roll ons were a deodorant or anti perspirant!
Who the fuck does low speed, high gear roll ons anyway?
If I am racing someone, I put my bike in a gear that takes advantage of its powerband. All is fair in a dragrace!
If you don't have torque, then use horsepower.
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posted April 26, 2006 10:03 AM
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posted April 26, 2006 10:03 AM
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I always thought roll ons were a deodorant or anti perspirant!
Who the fuck does low speed, high gear roll ons anyway?
If I am racing someone, I put my bike in a gear that takes advantage of its powerband. All is fair in a dragrace!
If you don't have torque, then use horsepower.
I always wondered about that too. When I'm out and about cruising, I'm usually keeping the rpm just under boil. If the bike I'm on starts making power at just over 7K, I'm cruising at about 5K and if I need to open up a can of whoop ass on something I usually only need to click down one and give 'er a twist, which will automatically kick the rpm up to the full on boil level and start her roaring. Why would I care if some other bike is faster from 55 to 100 mph starting in 6th gear? I'm not going to approach the situation in that gear, I'm gonna row down a few and bring her up to full boil where warp speed is just a twist away. Now bring both bikes up to boil and THEN twist and tell me what's faster...
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posted April 26, 2006 10:32 AM
Roll on's are not usually done using the gear of choice...to be fair. Roll on's are a way of seeing how much TQ you are putting out...in that RPM range.
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posted April 26, 2006 10:56 AM
...how do the two combatants reallly know what gear the other is in and who verifies this?...how do they precisely know when to "roll on" the throttle?....does Sandy from "Grease" wave her scarf while riding bitch?...cuz' I doubt she can run even 15 miles an hour between the bikes....and do the combatants twist the throttle aas she starts to drop her arm or at the very bottom stroke of her arm?...and then who's at the finish line to verify who won?....and what if its within a gnats of each other?....do they have a measuring device or do the combatants just say, "Good roll-on race...too close to call." while secretly saying to themselves that they themselves won?
...yeah, I understand the premise behind "roll-on" races, but it seems too loose to mean anything except to the one's who were there and care to share their war story...
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posted April 26, 2006 11:19 AM
High gear low speed roll-ons are usefull when cruising and you want to pas pass a car with another one arriving from the opposite direction. When you have to downshift two or three gears you're sometimes too slow and you have to stay behind. This happens quite often as no one continuously rides in "attack mode". Those who do so must have their brain checked or take up racing.
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posted April 26, 2006 11:35 AM
Edited By: smokinZX14 on 26 Apr 2006 12:36
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...how do the two combatants reallly know what gear the other is in and who verifies this?...how do they precisely know when to "roll on" the throttle?....does Sandy from "Grease" wave her scarf while riding bitch?...cuz' I doubt she can run even 15 miles an hour between the bikes....and do the combatants twist the throttle aas she starts to drop her arm or at the very bottom stroke of her arm?...and then who's at the finish line to verify who won?....and what if its within a gnats of each other?....do they have a measuring device or do the combatants just say, "Good roll-on race...too close to call." while secretly saying to themselves that they themselves won?
...yeah, I understand the premise behind "roll-on" races, but it seems too loose to mean anything except to the one's who were there and care to share their war story...
Good points Wormhole... We (my friends and myself) start in 2 gear @ 60 mph ....Yes some have cheated like my buddy on his R1...It didn't matter i still beat him but it was closer for sure.. It's a game and the one who plays the game better will win...I have more skill than (most) of the Gixxer and Busa riders i come across plus i only weigh in at 130 pounds and that helps big time .. Seeing that i'm a drag racer i try to get them to run from a deat stop but most will not even try it ...There is no replacement for skills... My drag bike/ street bike is only 148 to the rear tire and weighs 5 more pounds than the zx14, but with my hours of seat time at the track i'm able to run 9.50s in the 1/4 mile.... I have raced so many Busas that i can't even count them... I have seen modded Busas go down to my bike and it's not the The bike that got beat it's the rider... If they had the seat time and skills the busa would be the winner..
Lots of zx14 are going to get beat by 1000s and Busas, it not going to be the bikes falt it's going to be the rider...You can make all the power you want but if you can use it you know what's going to happen ...
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posted April 26, 2006 01:03 PM
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High gear low speed roll-ons are usefull when cruising and you want to pas pass a car with another one arriving from the opposite direction. When you have to downshift two or three gears you're sometimes too slow and you have to stay behind. This happens quite often as no one continuously rides in "attack mode". Those who do so must have their brain checked or take up racing.
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i always ride in attack mode....
i never get relaxed around cars....... always ready to brake, swerve, accelerate...
pulling out to pass another car should be done in optimum accelration mode.... you like living dangerously don't you?
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posted April 26, 2006 01:13 PM
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[you like living dangerously don't you?
Yes on a race track
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