redelk
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posted March 16, 2006 12:31 PM
 Edited By: redelk on 16 Mar 2006 12:32
A challenge for hayabusa4300
hayabusa4300, it is now time for you to step up and prove your point. If you are capable, please read the entire post so you are clear on its contents and your challenge. Your challenge is at the end of this post.
While Cycle World's top speed of the Hayabusa was recorded via a radar gun, this method is not recognized by any legitimate authority of speed records. We won't even go into the aspect of how there was no mention of wind speed or direction.
On the other hand, some might remember this little know event back in July of 2000...
"As a result of the great deal of controversy and speculation regarding the performance of the Kawasaki ZX-12R, Muzzys Performance Products initiated a two day long test intended to determine the top speed capability of the ZX-12R both in stock form and when fitted with a Muzzy after market exhaust system.
The facility of the East Coast Timing Association at the Maxton-Laurinburg Airport in Maxton, North Carolina was rented on July 8th and 9th for the test. Maxton is a World War II-era concrete runway that the ECTA uses for monthly speed trials. Since Muzzys was the exclusive user for this test, the normal 1 mile acceleration length was increased to 1.16 miles by shortening the shutdown area and moving the start point.
Speed measurement ("timing") was provided by internationally accredited (FIA, FIM, AMA, LSA) timer Jack Dolan. He has certified and verified numerous speed records for more than 25 years. Dolan uses certified photocells and a clock accurate within .001 second over 24 hours. He verified throughout the tests that the bike was not altered and is, in fact, the particular bike that ran a given speed. After the test was complete, the bike used was identified and sealed to ensure that no modifications could be made (or removed) while the bike is in transit and until inspected by a third party.
Two 2000 Kawasaki ZX-12's were ordered from Kawasaki and delivered to Muzzys in their original crates as shipped from the warehouse. The bikes were set up per normal dealership procedures and broken in on Muzzys' Schenk Dynamometer which allows continuous running. After break-in, valves were adjusted per the manufacturer's specification, and the bikes were serviced with the correct quantity of Belray EXS oil. Since the power was equal, one bike was selected as the primary and one a back-up.
Muzzys employee and experienced high speed rider Doug Meyer rode the bikes over the course approximately 30 times during the test. Outside temperatures ranged from a low of 75 F early in the morning to a high of 98 F. The elevation is 256 feet above sea level and the humidity was 80-90%. Various "set ups" were tried, but in the end, the bikes were left standard. There is no speed limiting device on the ZX-12R.
The speeds reached should not be considered maximums. It is our feeling that given a smoother, longer surface, and lower air temperatures, the ZX-12 will go faster than the speeds recorded at Maxton. These speeds were repeatable and the performance was completely stable and trouble free. The ZX-12R with the standard exhaust including catalytic converter and ECU reached 192.307 mph. After that run, the stock pipe was removed and a Muzzys stainless steel pipe with the standard aluminum muffler was installed. The next run with the Muzzy pipe installed yielded a speed of 199.115 mph. Time and high outside air temperatures forced an end to the test at that point. The test bike remains sealed and will be made available to the press for inspection."
To this very date, no one has been able to prove that these bikes were in any way modified internally and were indeed, "box stock". With the exception of the pipe on the later runs.
Now, I here by challenge hayabusa4300 to present a legitimate, certified, record of this supposed 194 or 196 mph run. The run must be certified by one of the following sanctioning bodies: ECTA, USAC, FIA, FIM, AMA or LSA.
Childish repetition of your previous posts will not be acceptable. Either put up accurate facts or simply shut up. If you can not present some form of legitimate documentation, I will seriously consider deleting each and every one of your posts. Consider this not a warning, but a fact.
If you are able to succeed in this challenge, you are free to post what ever you like within the rules of this website. I enjoy waiting for your response.
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zerMATT
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posted March 16, 2006 01:07 PM
Edited By: zerMATT on 16 Mar 2006 13:08
POW!!!
We are all eagerly awaiting a response...
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fastestbusaaround
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posted March 16, 2006 01:35 PM
Let the Games begin!!
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supra5677
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posted March 16, 2006 02:03 PM
I don't think he'll find anything over 190.5 and I'm being generous.
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supra5677
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posted March 16, 2006 02:24 PM
Did some preliminary checking. Certified runs of a stock Hayabusa over 192mph DO NOT EXIST...
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fastestbusaaround
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posted March 16, 2006 02:34 PM
Won't matter...somehow, I suspect we'll never hear from this feller again!
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fastestbusaaround
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posted March 16, 2006 02:47 PM
Fuck I was wrong...turds can live longer than I thought. 
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fastestbusaaround
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posted March 16, 2006 03:12 PM
quote:
just having some fun dude don t be such a poor sport
long live the king of kings
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jimzx9r
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posted March 16, 2006 03:16 PM
Hayabusa4300...I challenge you to stop posting.
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ZX11D
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posted March 16, 2006 03:19 PM
Edited By: ZX11D on 16 Mar 2006 15:19
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listen dude
meetings were held
govt were talking
speedo were changed
the ground shook
busa streak across the land
the fact is 99 busa rocked the world as we know it
if your can t face the facts thats not my problem
i know the deal
if you remove my posts it shows you can t handle the truth and then it s on you
so do what you want but know this king will never lose his crown
99 busa changed the records books
changed the laws
it rocked from sea to sea
pay your respect or be a coward it s up to you
You repeat yourself and sound like an old broken LP record. If you even go that far back. :milk
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mustmoto
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posted March 16, 2006 03:55 PM
looks like it's time to delete all his posts Redelk. you warned him and he came back with the same old sewage....
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jimzx9r
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posted March 16, 2006 04:41 PM
Yeah just delete it all and IP ban. I'm not going to hang around and try to sift through all the shit to find a decent topic.
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redelk
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posted March 17, 2006 12:01 AM
I regretfully have now deleted more posts and threads tonight, then I have in total since I first became a moderator over FIVE YEARS.
Normally, I would let such shit float on its own and wouldn't even think of locking the threads, much less deleting them. I feel uncomfortable doing it and would almost wish that blitz or fish had done it, instead of me. It is NOT the way I prefer to moderate forums at Bikeland.
All the same, the ZX-14 forum has started off with a little more of a "high brow" demeanor and should not have to deal with such crap if they do not wish to. I have always had a "let the membership be the moderators of their own forums. My duty to the membership is solely to execute their wishes.
Several members have voiced their opinions here, as well as sent PMs and e-mails concerning the redundant and pointless posts. They wish them to be removed. I felt it would at least be fair to give him a chance to post a valid post. The chance was given and he declined to take advantage of it.
Unless instructed by either the membership or the administrators, I will continue to remove such asinine posts from hayabusa4300 in this forum only.
The Smack House would be more than happy to welcome his posts in their forum. If he so wishes to continue with such, I do hope and encourage him to visit that forum.
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zx12richard
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posted March 17, 2006 01:47 AM
REDELK, You forgot one thing bro....
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ZXLNT
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posted March 17, 2006 02:12 AM
BAM!!!!!!
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fastestbusaaround
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posted March 17, 2006 06:19 AM
Edited By: fastestbusaaround on 17 Mar 2006 06:25
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I regretfully have now deleted more posts and threads tonight, then I have in total since I first became a moderator over FIVE YEARS.
Normally, I would let such shit float on its own and wouldn't even think of locking the threads, much less deleting them. I feel uncomfortable doing it and would almost wish that blitz or fish had done it, instead of me. It is NOT the way I prefer to moderate forums at Bikeland.
All the same, the ZX-14 forum has started off with a little more of a "high brow" demeanor and should not have to deal with such crap if they do not wish to. I have always had a "let the membership be the moderators of their own forums. My duty to the membership is solely to execute their wishes.
Several members have voiced their opinions here, as well as sent PMs and e-mails concerning the redundant and pointless posts. They wish them to be removed. I felt it would at least be fair to give him a chance to post a valid post. The chance was given and he declined to take advantage of it.
Unless instructed by either the membership or the administrators, I will continue to remove such asinine posts from hayabusa4300 in this forum only.
The Smack House would be more than happy to welcome his posts in their forum. If he so wishes to continue with such, I do hope and encourage him to visit that forum.
Redelk...I think you have a full time job today....deleting the (now 50+) threads and banning this dickhead forever...now it's become a real issue and we've got to sift through a lot of crap just to get to the meat on the forums. I think the problem will get worse if something isn't done ASAP.
Not that I would leave this place, but the inconvenience of having to dig now to get to good stuff....well...I don't really have the patience to go through a few pages of his crap to get where I need to go. I also firmly believe that it lowers the integrity of the whole forum having an idiot like this freely posting junk specifically designed to elicit these types of responses from the more serious members. I believe in freedom of speech on these boards and love the fact that almost anything goes here...but this is way beyond that. How are the sponsors going to feel about his? Companies like KHI don't really need this type of image haunting them. I would certainly feel like an idiot if it was discovered that one of the mod's or admin's set this whole thing up, but unless that is proven to be the case, I have to believe otherwise. Get rid of this guy for good - lock him out, ban his IP and scrutinize new member applications for the next while until the troll goes away!
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redelk
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posted March 17, 2006 06:58 AM
FBA - I can take out the trash, but I can't lock the door. Only administrators can ban folks form the forums.
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ZX11D
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posted March 17, 2006 07:27 AM
Your action was prudent. Good job! 
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zerMATT
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posted March 17, 2006 07:31 AM
quote:
From redelk's post: There is no speed limiting device on the ZX-12R.
There isn't? I'm confused...
I thought Muzzy's "Bonneville Box" was designed to defeat the ZX-12R's factory speed limiter. Someone please enlighten me...
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frEEk
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posted March 17, 2006 07:52 AM
hayabusa4300 is now gone.
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redelk
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posted March 17, 2006 08:36 AM
zerMATT - There has never been any proof that the 2000 A1 model had any type of speed restricting device. The "300 KPH" rule voluntarily went into effect in 2001 for the 12R.
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posted March 17, 2006 08:39 AM
The A1 was not speed restricted. The A2 was.
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zerMATT
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posted March 17, 2006 09:13 AM
Gotcha! Thanks for the clarification.
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posted March 17, 2006 12:46 PM
Not trying to stir things up, but the problem I have with Muzzy's 199 MPH record is that my 2000 A1 hit the revlimiter @ 194 mph on the Dyno. The speedo said 210 ? Some have speculated that their bike had a 45 rather than a 46 rear sprocket.....
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redelk
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posted March 17, 2006 12:58 PM
No shit stirring' there. The debate over the 6 week delay in delivery to the dealer just fueled the conspiracy theories. Rumors had it that since hundreds, if not a thousand bikes had already been manufactured, replacing or "reprogramming" the ECU was not possible. Thus, replacing the rear sprocket always seemed to be a logical alternative.
Still, the bikes used in the Muzzy tests were geared the same as what was delivered to the dealerships at that time. Since the latest batch of sportbikes seem to have extremely "tight" motors, I'd think that their method of breaking the bike in might have had a little more to do with the numbers then anything else.
We all wish we could break our bikes in on a dyno, but even though we can not do that, we can do everything else (i.e. adjust the valves, run a proper level of oil and so on). Getting top speed numbers from a dyno run is not as accurate as some might believe. Just like weather and such having an effect on the Muzzy runs, factors like chain tension, tire condition/pressure and even how the bike was strapped down could have an effect as well.
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