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posted March 12, 2006 04:46 PM
Dude u suck.  I hope yours come in PINK 
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speedgene
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posted March 12, 2006 05:43 PM
Dude, you are soooo lucky!
Just think if I waited till April 1.
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posted March 12, 2006 06:03 PM
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Tool Man
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posted March 12, 2006 07:03 PM
Hey no issue I bit in and swollowed
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jimzx9r
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posted March 12, 2006 07:57 PM
I predict somebody will have one by the end of this week.
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Tool Man
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posted March 12, 2006 08:02 PM
Really Who?
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zerMATT
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posted March 12, 2006 08:04 PM
I sure hope you're right!!!
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bugsey
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posted March 12, 2006 09:30 PM
jimzx9r....have been dailing the psychiatric hot line?
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Reaper
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posted March 13, 2006 05:59 AM
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Dude u suck. I hope yours come in PINK
If he ordered a red one, the quality of the Kawasaki paint job should make it go pink within four years....
Happened to my Candy wine red ZZR1100.....
IT'S NOT PINK DAMMIT!!! It's magenta!! 
Reaper 
2000 ZZR1100
not Pink anymore...
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zerMATT
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posted March 13, 2006 07:10 AM
That Candy Wine Red was always my favorite color on the ZX-11... still is. I think that color, all by itself, is one of the real reasons that I love these big Kawi's. An old neighbor of mine had a '95 ZX-11 in that color until just last year. His held up great - no fading at all. Dang that bike was beautiful...
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posted March 13, 2006 07:29 AM
After watching Fish_Antlers struggle with his 2000 ZX12R, I don't think I will ever buy the first year of any bike.
I will wait until all the Beta testing is done and go for the new and improved (and usually fixed for free) second year.
I would also want a slipper clutch on a 14, but I am willing to take a 14 for some long term testing, maybe that will help me decide if it is ok to buy the first year of this bike.
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Reaper
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posted March 13, 2006 07:48 AM
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I will wait until all the Beta testing is done and go for the new and improved (and usually fixed for free) second year.
I thad thought that was why the likes of Rick Gadson, Rob Muzzy and a few other people got them.. Not only to make after market parts but to help iron out the kinks so we didn't get Beta Units but better units ..........
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posted March 13, 2006 08:00 AM
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I will wait until all the Beta testing is done and go for the new and improved (and usually fixed for free) second year.
I thad thought that was why the likes of Rick Gadson, Rob Muzzy and a few other people got them.. Not only to make after market parts but to help iron out the kinks so we didn't get Beta Units but better units ..........
Reaper
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Well the way I see it is this............Rick Gadson took his bike and proved that YOU CAN STILL paint a CHROME THE SHIT! out of a 14! Rob took his and proved that he knows how to make money! He'll have parts LONG before anyone else has them for sale to the public. Cha Ching!! Coby Adams took his and proved that he could find a way to build the motor NO MATTER what kind of parts are avalible! That bike had parts from everything stuffed in it and it HAULED ASS!!!!!!!!!!! OH YEA Ricky proved he's still the man to beat on a sport bike with NO Wheelie bar. KING of Slippin the clutch with delicate balance!
I doubt we'll see any improvements to these bike because of any of these guys having them early. However these guys will see a huge increase in their bank accounts this year because of having them. At this point in the game they have the only working info on these new bikes and it will pay off big for these few guys.
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speedgene
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posted March 13, 2006 08:21 AM
There were two minor issues with the bike for me.
1. 4K rpm lag: If this lag is felt going through a corner, or in gear at a sustained speed where that mph is in a sweet spot, I'll compensate for it. Will a pipe clean it up? I don't know the answer? Is this lag... fuel driven, or engine harmonic-transission driven? That, I will have to ride and find out on my own.
2. RG missed a shift racing the bike. A red flag went up for me on this one. I know the '04 10 had a Trans problem in 2nd gear. A revision fix for the '05 10 Trans. didn't work is what I hear?
I know that gear miss was under abuse, but it frightens me that the weakness in this bike will be the gear box? Only time will tell what part of the bike is weak oncel out in the field.
I see both of these as minor glitches for now. The 4K lag harmonic wise is a fix for the factory to work out. Will it be gone next year, I don't know? Any teething problems with a new bike are minor...usually. I have no reservations about the bike. I doubt it will give the owner any major problems being first year.
PK, I don't know the K product line. What were the early 12's problems? Hondas were pretty much squared away before they were released to the public. Suzuki had more minor problems like sub wire harnesses, and electrical components.
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zerMATT
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posted March 13, 2006 09:15 AM
On issue 2: Do we know if this transmission is an "all new" design, or is it an evolution of the ZX-11/ZZR1200 or ZX-12R tranny? Didn't the ZX-11 have a 2nd or 3rd gear problem back in the day? I recall my neighbor's '95 ZX-11D losing 3rd at one point, but I wasn't sure if that was a widespread problem or not.
I've got 21k miles on my ZZR without so much as a huccup from the trans. Transmissions is one of those areas that Honda really has figured out... Hondas that I've ridden have always snick-snicked through the gears with absolutely no effort at all. I wish Kawi could build a tranny that smooth.
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jimzx9r
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posted March 13, 2006 01:28 PM
Gene, you are nuts...a type of a hypochondriac with a motorcycle.
The 4k rpm lag...you're acting like this is a 250 and only makes 18hp at the wheel. Missed shifts happen all the time, it doesn't mean the trans is bad.
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ZREXER
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posted March 13, 2006 01:31 PM
A couple of thoughts...
Maybe the 'delay' in the bikes showing up at the dealers is to sort issues like the '4k flat spot'. As far as durability of the transmission & clutch..............I don't know how the rest of you ride, but the press bikes probably had more abuse in 2 days than my bike will see in it's life span.
Any glaring faults in the clutch or transmission, would show up pretty quick considering how many 1/4 mile runs the bikes were subjected too.
The engine on the '14 seems to be pretty bullet proof and under stressed as it is currently tuned. For us 'normal' riders, I'm sure it will be great.
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posted March 13, 2006 01:45 PM
 Edited By: princesskiwi on 13 Mar 2006 13:47
I was on my 00 ZX6R racing Fish_Antlers down the freeway when I left him in the dust because his clutch failed.
That was sweet.
The clutch was pulled out and thrown in the trash.
It was replaced with a Muzzy.
Then there was all the lurching the bike seemed to do when it accelerated.
I remember the first time I noticed it.
Riding behind Fish_Antlers watching him come down the mountain on a right handed decreasing radius corner.
His bike seemed to hickup and standup when he accelerated out of the corner, it freaked me out the first time I saw the bike do that.
So, back to the garage with a Power Commander and months and months of monkey-ing with maps and wiring.
It was better, but I don't think it was ever completely ironed out.
What else?
Oh yeah....having to listen to Fish_Antlers rant about the battery.
If you really want to know what's wrong with a certain type of bike.
Don't ask your buddy that owns one, ask your buddies wife.
I listened for years as Fish_Antler swore and ranted about his ZX12R.
Now he has a ZX10R - and not a peep out of him.
No bitching, no whining, no ranting.
It has been so nice.
My 00 ZX6R and my 04 ZX6R, have never caused me any grief.
Until I rode the 05 ZX6R and decided I needed a slipper clutch.
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posted March 13, 2006 01:48 PM
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speedgene
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posted March 13, 2006 02:13 PM
"Gene, you are nuts...a type of a hypochondriac with a motorcycle."
Guilty your honor. I'm ready for my padded cell. Does the state issue Simpsons for head protection?
Anyone ride it enough to know the difference? Is it fuel? If it's fuel, I can work with that. If it's air, and nature playing vacuum tricks at higher rpm's, cam/flow transisions... so be it. I haven't ridden one to find out? I can only guess.
Jim, I might like hanging near 4k...I don't know? If it's fuel related, it needs a tune-up. If a "field fix" (owners/dealers/tuners, etc.) can cure it, I'd like to know? I have a few things to try if it's fuel.
I can wait next year for this bike if need be. There's a penalty for waiting KHI.....more HP.
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jimzx9r
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posted March 13, 2006 02:50 PM
It's cool Gene, I'm waiting a bit too. Your complaints are extremely minor in my opinion. I doubt the flat spot is mechanical, most likely something a bit of tuning could fix. Maybe it's really nothing...even at 4k the bike is still making plenty of power. It doesn't really make sense how it could have a flat spot, all the other articles said power delivery was seamless and refined. I'm not too worried about the trans either, even the best racers will botch a shift once in a while. If that was actually a trans problem, Rickey would be missing that gear more and more often. After the beatings those bikes took at the LV test, I'm pretty well convinced that the trans is solid.
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speedgene
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posted March 13, 2006 03:57 PM
"I was on my 00 ZX6R racing Fish_Antlers down the freeway when I left him in the dust because his clutch failed."
The clutch failure is service related PK. It is not an engineering failure. I meant a design problem. I was thinking more of a factory recall. Say the cam chain slipper was revised, and didn't work. That's when you walk away from the engine family and let it die. I'm willing to take a chance with a first year any bike from the big 4.
Jim, I read the mis-shift was on RG's personal 14 at the opening drag meet. I read nothing about shifting the bike at LV? Just a clutch failure....which is impressive out of 12 bikes used that day if I remember the number?
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posted March 13, 2006 04:16 PM
Oh my God! How did we eveeerrrr live without a slipper clutch!
Umm, clutch control and skill? 
Are we just breeding less talented riders with slipper clutches and abs just like we are with traction control, electronic stability control and abs in cars?
I'm all for technology, but where is the line of the vehicle driving you instead of the other way around drawn?
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jimzx9r
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posted March 13, 2006 04:17 PM
I think it's 12. In one of the articles they added up all the passes each bike had, I remember it being around 50 with no clutch or transmission failures. That's a ton of passes when you factor in that most of the riders had almost no drag experience.
I think RG's was airshifted...I thought they were having problems with the air shifter and it wasn't related to the actual transmission of the bike. You could start a post about it or PM him, he'll answer.
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speedgene
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posted March 13, 2006 04:35 PM
That's enough for me thanks. With fish saying he felt no lag, and the transmission holding up (for now), all that's left is mileage on the bike to find it's weakness. I doubt there will be any major problems. Just cops.
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