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posted February 23, 2006 06:47 PM
ZX14 Press Intro
Motorcycle Daily reports the ZX14 press introduction takes place next week, including both dragstrip and street riding. Anyone have any additional details on this event? Looks like our long wait for additional information on this bike will soon be fulfilled.
  
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posted February 23, 2006 06:51 PM
link?
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posted February 23, 2006 07:00 PM
Sorry Fish...I'm technically challenged.. www.motorcycledaily.com. Article posted 2/23/06, last paragraph of article.
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posted February 23, 2006 07:16 PM
Not really a news release but it is mentioned in the last paragraph here:
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/23february06_drag101.htm
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posted February 24, 2006 07:12 AM
 Edited By: ZREXER on 24 Feb 2006 07:13
It's like being a little kid again and waiting out those last few days for Christmas to come! It will be interesting to see the kinds of 1/4 mile times that the press pull on the bike. These times would be more representative what an average rider might actually pull.
A street evaluation will be nice to see as well.
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posted February 24, 2006 07:55 AM
quote:
link?
Oh yeah, like you didn't know 
I'll bet someones in trouble now.
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posted February 24, 2006 08:00 AM
hey.. I just find it hard to believe... dat's all...
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posted February 24, 2006 08:07 AM
did you read that article.. that guy was happy with 1.9-60'.... and the teacher was stroking him up...that is not great for a "stock" ZX10...
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posted February 24, 2006 08:24 AM
Back in January.................
The Kawaaki Rep told me the press release date would be February 28th.
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posted February 24, 2006 08:27 AM
was that the rep you said was full of crap?
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posted February 24, 2006 09:48 AM
Edited By: dubious on 27 Feb 2006 09:34
Turned out the guy who was spouting numbers that did not make sense, was some lame salesman from one of the dealers, not the rep.
AltaKawi-guy was not the person I was refering to initially in the post, but was the respondant..
As you KNOW fish:
That situation has been resolved except I could not get the post removed, and editing would make it seem more obsurd. My apology to the rep was all I could offer, as he did not want to raise more attention to the post.
Can we leave it at that?
My salesman gave me this info at the show.
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posted February 24, 2006 10:31 AM
....I'm offended...
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posted February 24, 2006 10:37 AM
you're always offended. It's your middle name.
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posted February 24, 2006 11:03 AM
Edited By: dubious on 24 Feb 2006 11:22
I'm perplexed?
do any dealers sponsor this site?
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posted February 24, 2006 11:17 AM
After your initial emails freek made changes to the way editted posts are displayed. They are no longer brought up to the top and I believe freek sent you an email with regards to this. You should have no problem editting your own post.
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posted February 24, 2006 11:29 AM
Otay!
Heh, got my shirts yesterday.
Finally made it to the post office to pick em up.
Thanks Fishy.
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posted February 24, 2006 11:34 AM
all of our sponsors are listed on the "sponsors" page...
imagine that! 
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posted February 26, 2006 12:58 PM
okay smart ass, why are you allowing people to post prices from Blackhoof ?
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posted February 26, 2006 06:16 PM
? what's "blackhoof"?
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posted February 26, 2006 07:30 PM
I think he means Blackfoot - in Calgary , I posted a link to their site for info on pricing on the 14 ..... so what dubious ? I don't work in the industry and have no personal connection to them - just found the ad and posted it for the interest of the masses to see ..... I could see if I was advertising for them ( or anybody else ) raising some eyebrows but that isn't the case .....
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posted February 26, 2006 07:35 PM
quote:
? what's "blackhoof"?
you know.
Blackhoof Motorsports, out of Calgary.
They are a huge exporter of our bikes.
I will not post their real name.
Their sales tactics leave alot to be desired. Misrepresenting prices in the local "bargain loser" or "by and cell" and "traitor publications ".
They advertise the lowest bare bones price, then hit you with all the associated costs on top of that.
Or you put a deposit down and they tell you it will be in next month.
3 months later, and half way through summer your so fed up waiting, you demand your deposit back and they try to tell you its non refundable.
People don't realize that the reason they can't get specialty bikes like last years LTD edition GSXR1000(black one) is because the foreign dollar fetches more money than our canadian dollar.
That Ltd gsxr1000 was a canadian model only.
Dealers like blackhoof who export bikes, hoard the desirable, low production models, or the ones with big subsidies, and export them knowing they can make big money.
The factory gets short changed, and locals lose out on desirable machines.
I know its all business but the fact is most Corporate Companies have rules against this.
The last new 3/4 ton diesel I bought from a local dealer saw that my old truck was only 1 year old, and had me sign a letter stating that I would not export the truck for 1 year. I wasn't trading in the 1 year old, and when asked I told him I had a buyer. He thought I was an exporter.
He explained the subsidies, and negative effects exporting has on the local industry.
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posted February 26, 2006 07:55 PM
Explain more Dubious - I didn't get it,
because I'm:
1) non-native English speaker
2) unfamiliar with the subject
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posted February 26, 2006 08:28 PM
Edited By: dubious on 26 Feb 2006 23:22
OK.
The corporation wants to keep itself involved in all market segments.
If a country has a low currency then the price of the machine goes up relative to that currency.
Countries that have lower currency values recieve subsidies from the income, of the susidiaries in other counrties so the machines are more affordable, and sales volumes don't plummet in the country with low currency.
So when the Canadian doller was low, the American dollar was higher, the subsidies were alloted to the Canadian segment.
If not sales volume would have dropped due to high prices in Canada.
The reason they do this is they will begin to lose a market share or sales volumes in Canada.
They keep the prices reasonable, people keep buying their brand, and the dealer network stays in business.
When the currrency gets strong they transfer the subsidies to countries with low currency else where.
If the dealer networks went out of business during a recession or such, then it would take years to build the sales network back up.
When a bike is subsidised for sale in Canada , it is cheaper for the business in Canada to buy than a business in a country that does not have subsidies.
The Business exporting a subsidised bike makes more money because of the subsidy, and makes more money due to the exchange rate .
Thay would almost rather sell the bike elsewhere than in their own country when exchange rates are high , because there is more potontial to produce more income, especially if its a very desirable limited production machine like last years all Black GSXR 1000.
I've seen them on the net from owners of them living in USA, but noner in Canada and it was a Canadian only model.
Gee wonder how they got there? When I couldn't buy one here?
I do not know what Kawasaki policy is or if they subsidise , but I do know Hunda once did, and I do know that Furd was a couple of years ago.
So I was told by dealer manager, and one dealer owner.
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posted February 26, 2006 10:01 PM
too many words... readers digest version someone please!
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posted February 26, 2006 11:21 PM
Ok .
Simply put subsidies make machines more affordable when a currency is of low value.
It allows local businesses to remain in business when machines become expensive due to the devalued exchange rate.
It is done to keep an existing sales network in place that might otherwise dwindle, and to keep the sales volumes up through sessions of devalued exchange rates or recessions.
In theory the money lost through subsidies returns to the corporation by means of stabilizing the market in a country with weak currency, and having a dealer network in place when times turn good.
EXAMPLE:
If subsidised Canadian bikes end up replacing the sales of non subsidised bikes in the US then the dealer network there ends up with excess bikes, and reduced volume sales.
Subsidised bikes replace the sales of bikes with more mark up in the US.
Exportation of subsidised bikes causes US dealers lose money through reduced sales, and increased rebates to US dealers because they have excess bikes that are not sold.
The Coroporate company loses the money on the subsidies, and loses money to clear old stock.
The Canadian customers to desirable bikes, and wind up competeing with the US market on top of the poor exchange rate.
The only ones winning is the guy buying an exported bike, and the dealer exporting them.
The Corporation usually threatens to reduce the volume available to that dealer, or even pull the franchise, because it screws the market sales demographics, and they lose money.
The Canadian dollar is quite good right now and we pay a high price for our bikes, relative to the US prices and US exchange rate, so it would not likely happen much now but when the Canadain dollar is low , the exporters have a hay day!
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