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posted February 28, 2006 05:16 AM
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tuusinii!
Marvellous photos, which makes me yarn to go to the Alps
Summer 2001 (perhaps 18th of August) :
"Kuva Le Grande Motte'lta 3452 metristä."
"Photo from Le Grande Motte at 3452 meters" = 11325.5 ft
How was the 12R engine that high - any problems?
Was there always good weather up there?
Well, as You can see I was there skiing but the highest I've taken the ZX12 has been on Punta Sommailler wich is just above 3000m. The engine ran fine - just had to adjust the idle little bit up but it run cleanly however. But as You could see it was gravel so did't have to use throttle much. Near Val d'Isere on Col d'Isere wich is at 2720m and asphalt the engine runs just fin no problem.
About the weather - well it really depends sometimes it can even snow in the middle of summer, but I've usually been quite lucky :-)
  
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posted February 28, 2006 05:30 AM
I went to the Col d'Iseran and ran into problems with my 12R. The engine has been blueprinted + full Acra and PCIII. If I stay under 1800 - 2000m I have little probs but any higher and the engine gradually deteriorates up to the point of having to adjust the idle up to 4000rpm+ and using lots of clutch slip.
On the Col d'Iseran the engine completely bogged down in the middle of an upwards hairpin, this is not an eperience one wants to have and certainly not when riding fully packed two-up. Strange, but the moment I disconnected the PC all went well again. The PC works really well at sea level. So I don't understand why it doesn't at high altitude.
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posted February 28, 2006 05:47 AM
Sound like the PC dosen't take the altitude in count - as it should. My idle adjusting is only very minor. If I don't adjust the engine runs, barely, on about 600-700 RPM at the altitude. So I'll up it back to 1000 RPM. When I'll go back down it's then about 1500-1800 RPM. And usually If I go up and down many times I just use the fast idle lever. No problems when riding though. It pulls as cleanly as on sealevel - well -30% HP of course but runs clean.
My 12 is '00 so I had the ECU changed to the HIGH ALTITUDE ECU. It made the bike smoother also at sealevel and I didn't had to change the idle so much. Before it wouldn't run without adjusting. But on later 12's You didn't need it.
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posted February 28, 2006 05:54 AM
Mine is an 2000A1 so I might still change the ECU.
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posted February 28, 2006 06:03 AM
Yeah, if it is also '00 I would at least ask from KHI to get the HA ECU. It run better also in other places than the old. But if You have PC You would probable need a new map for it.
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posted February 28, 2006 06:32 AM
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Yeah, if it is also '00 I would at least ask from KHI to get the HA ECU. It run better also in other places than the old. But if You have PC You would probable need a new map for it.
If a HA ECU isn't too costly I might do this, making a new map isn't a problem, A friend of mine happens to be a Kawa dealer and he has all the equipment and the expertise needed to make a new map.
If it is really costly I think I will stick with the old system. My12 has already 80.000 km on it and though it still runs very well I eventually might think of buying a 14 next year (the 12 will probably have close to 100.000km then).
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posted February 28, 2006 06:40 AM
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I went to the Col d'Iseran and ran into problems with my 12R. The engine has been blueprinted + full Acra and PCIII. If I stay under 1800 - 2000m I have little probs but any higher and the engine gradually deteriorates up to the point of having to adjust the idle up to 4000rpm+ and using lots of clutch slip.
On the Col d'Iseran the engine completely bogged down in the middle of an upwards hairpin, this is not an eperience one wants to have and certainly not when riding fully packed two-up. Strange, but the moment I disconnected the PC all went well again. The PC works really well at sea level. So I don't understand why it doesn't at high altitude.
Ninja Rider
This is exactly my nighmare scenario
The only way to cure is to get that ZX-14
(or any other torquing bike with fuel injection)
Currently owned Bandit 1200/S has only carbutrators
so the mixture needs to be lean
because it will get rich at high altitude
The current setup is rich
(the mornings can be cold in Finland - even in May)
The reports tell that ZX-14 runs too rich - is that true?
Thank you both ninja rider & tuusinii
your info is very valuable for me and Nina
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posted February 28, 2006 07:09 AM
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SuperBike Magazine September 2000
Title: Taken From Behind
Top Speed:
Suzuki GSX1300R Hayabusa : 196 mph
The fastest production bike SuperBike has ever tested.
They then went on to do 177 mph, two-up.
So we are going to go two-up plus hard bags
I know this is getting a bit off-topic but you just reminded me of a day at Bruntingthorpe when the ZZR1100 was King.
Mike Grainger had a ZZR1100 Turbo and we were there so that Richard Fincher from Motorcycle News could have a go. The speed trap we had was very small, only about a foot off the ground and Mike had to pass within about six feet of it to get a decent reading. Yours truely and Brian Kapper, who built the bike, were volunteered to stand by it so that Mike could see what he was aiming at.
The first awesome thing I noticed was the dust and crap being blown out sideways by the bike as it came towards us, cutting through the air. Then it was our turn to feel the force, almost knocking us off our feet as he went by at 222mph !!!!
Richard had a go afterwards and as far as I know was the first MCN journalist over 200mph and I guess I was the first person to be blown off his feet by a bike at over 200mph.
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posted February 28, 2006 11:10 AM
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Yeah, if it is also '00 I would at least ask from KHI to get the HA ECU. It run better also in other places than the old. But if You have PC You would probable need a new map for it.
If a HA ECU isn't too costly I might do this, making a new map isn't a problem, A friend of mine happens to be a Kawa dealer and he has all the equipment and the expertise needed to make a new map.
If it is really costly I think I will stick with the old system. My12 has already 80.000 km on it and though it still runs very well I eventually might think of buying a 14 next year (the 12 will probably have close to 100.000km then).
NR
Well I got the HA ECU as a recall, so it didn't cost anything. If You know people at the dealer I would at least try. But it's allready 7 years... If You have to pay it, I think it's more than 1000€...
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