Dsnutz
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posted February 08, 2006 05:16 PM
Muzzy plans on selling exhaust systems with no specs?
I 've been looking to purchase the 14 and I see muzzys has already have exhaust systems for them. There is no specs.. WTF? Who in there right mind will buy a full system with no specs? Thats a hell of a marketing team they have.. LOL Seriously who's going to buy with out know this information????? Stupid if you ask me... I have purchase their exhaust systems in the past but then I knew what I was getting..
  
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Zammy
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posted February 08, 2006 05:51 PM
Yeh ,like you'll be buying a piece of crap from Muzzy .
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Dsnutz
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posted February 08, 2006 06:08 PM
Like I bought a 69 Camaro and so a 95 Camaro the same quality. U dont' know!
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posted February 08, 2006 06:14 PM
Official specs from Kawi are still coolin off - how bout givin the boys some time till Kawi allows them to post this info.
Ya really think they don't wanna post the big numbers up there?
Take a deep breath, chillllllll.........
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frEEk
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posted February 08, 2006 06:22 PM
i imagine they won't post specs until they have a production bike (which havent been produced yet as far as i know).
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Dsnutz
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posted February 08, 2006 06:28 PM
Well I'm willing to bet there are several ZX14 are in the states. Dynojet must have one they already have a PC3 , Muzzys, at least 2 other racers, and some other companies as well... Whats there gig?? Crazy
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frEEk
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posted February 08, 2006 06:42 PM
Not production machines tho, just pre-production.
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fish_antlers
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posted February 08, 2006 06:44 PM
if nobody has production machines, how can anyone have specs for production models? 
hey Dsnutz... lemme know which dealer you know has a production version for sale cuz I bet there'd be a line of members at their door tomorrow morning.
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trenace
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posted February 08, 2006 06:52 PM
Muzzy's pretty much quit posting dyno charts for their pipes a long while back anyway. I can find only one on their site and it's not so easy to find, and anyway isn't for simply stock vs stock bike plus pipe, or plus pipe and PC.
While I would rather that they did, it's true that competing on dyno charts, which many potential buyers will tend to do, can be pretty invalid. E.g. I've seen a Micron dynograph for the ZX-12R that would have one convinced it's far and away the most powerful pipe out there, but in the real world apparently it's just another good pipe. Some companies may justifiably prefer to rely on their overall reputation rather than put up an honest dyno chart and have the potential customer compare it to bullshit ones.
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Dsnutz
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posted February 08, 2006 07:04 PM
Out of curiosity how could dynojet make a powercommader and Muzzy build a pipe if those units aren't the same??? They have to one of the same or pretty damn close or those companies wouldn't waste their R & D money screwing with products that arn't the same. Main Entry: pro·duc·tion
Pronunciation: pr&-'d&k-sh&n, prO-
Function: noun
1 a : something produced : PRODUCT b (1) : a literary or artistic work (2) : a work presented on the stage or screen or over the air c : something exaggerated out of proportion to its importance
2 a : the act or process of producing b : the creation of utility; especially : the making of goods available for use
3 : total output especially of a commodity or an industry
- pro·duc·tion·al /-shn&l, -sh&-n&l/ adjective
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fish_antlers
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posted February 08, 2006 07:19 PM
well ds.. I guess you know better than the people working in the industry...
I would guess that if Muzzy or anyone else had specs they could provide on a production unit, then they would.
Apparently the term "pre production" still escapes you.
DId you not notice the new specs for the bike released yesterday and how much they differed from the specs released only 2 weeks ago?
guess not
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jimzx9r
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posted February 08, 2006 09:03 PM
Copy/paste from dictionary make me smart.
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trenace
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posted February 08, 2006 09:16 PM
Well, now that we've seen that there's a technical definition for what production COULD mean in some instances, that totally changes the picture of the relevance of these bikes being pre-production. See, they're "production" too because they were "produced." Totally changes everything once you grok that, don't it? 
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fish_antlers
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posted February 08, 2006 09:34 PM
quote:
Copy/paste from dictionary make me smart.
And I thought it was all of those eyes!
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posted February 09, 2006 06:15 AM
nice...
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Robmuzzy
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posted February 09, 2006 08:27 AM
Dsnutz- What spec's are you looking for? Pipe dimensions, Weight, Power, or what? If you are looking for performance here it is. Peak power increase over stock is approx. 8% weight loss approx. 18 lbs.
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DB
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posted February 09, 2006 08:37 AM
The black with the carbon fiber looks sharp
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MadMike
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posted February 09, 2006 09:47 AM
ah!!! I was correct on the weight loss!!! ha!!!
and you smack talkers are a JOKE!!!!
people will buy the Muzzy on looks, aval... and Sound alone!!!
and probably they can not release any information as an agreement with kawasaki untill they say they can...
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speedgene
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posted February 09, 2006 10:02 AM
Rob, will your pair of duals clear a stock center stand? TY.
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road rage
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posted February 09, 2006 11:19 AM
Yeah what DB said, the Black with carbon fiber duals looks great and the bike in the photo is exactly how my ZX-14 will look. If you take the percentages that Mr. Muzzy posted and factor them into the hp figures we already know (8% of 187hp = 14.96 hp increase or 202 hp total). For arguments sake though, I'll just use 7% increase in hp which is still 13 hp over stock, added to the 187hp and we got 200hp (without ram air). The additional weight savings of 18 Lbs is excellent also. What we don't know from his response however is if this is for a single exhaust system or dual pipes? I'll assume single. The 18 Lbs is using which metal to produce that exhaust? I'll assume the lightest being Titanium.
What I really learned from his response though is that getting to the 200 hp mark that Kawasaki almost reached and most of us want / desire shouldn't be that hard to do. A few simple add-ons and we'll be there and more. There's no reason I can see why people who desire such power levels can't reach say....220hp without cracking open the engine.
With a K&N filter, good Exhaust system and Power Commander the ZX-14 should have 210 hp easily!
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trenace
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posted February 09, 2006 12:13 PM
 Edited By: trenace on 9 Feb 2006 12:14
You are using crankshaft figures which is not the "language" most of us normally speak or ordinarily interpret things as, which is rear wheel hp as measured on, for better or worse, Dynojets.
That "200 hp without Ram Air" you cite would probably be something like what almost all of us refer to as "176 hp."
And your "210 hp" figure would probably be what almost all us call 185 hp.
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posted February 09, 2006 12:30 PM
Road rage I would surely hope that there will more than just an 18 lbs weight savings. I bet that stock exhaust will weigh close to 40 lbs. Figure maybe 12lbs for stainless exhaust and around 8-9 lbs for Full Titanium..... This bike with a good pipe and tune is gonna haul some serious ass....
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posted February 09, 2006 01:05 PM
Cool Deal looks like Doug Meyer was right about horespower. 8% increase on 169rwhp would be around 183. Cool wander what we will get for taking all that extra smog shit off that the bike supposely has??
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posted February 09, 2006 05:13 PM
While I can certainly understand and appreciate the difference of crank hp vs. wheel hp, I don't know why is should matter either way in this situation. Yes I'll give you that perhaps if the bike made 250 crank hp and only 150 wheel hp, then I could see the reason for wanting the figures at the wheels and disregarding the crank hp number since in that example the crank hp would almost mean nothing. This however is not the case and most everyone knows that modern motorcycles pretty much have a standard loss factored in of say 8% -12%. With that known, and us being able to figure the wheel hp from the crank figures, then it shouldn't matter. So if Kawasaki says the ZX-14 makes 200 hp, and we already know what both the ZX-12R and Hayabusa make at the crank (which are less), then reason would have it that when measured at the rear wheel of all three bikes, the ZX-14 will still make more than the other two bikes, because it made more at the crank to begin with. Crank horsepower is a language alot of people here need to learn I'd say, since It's the only standard that has any reliability; dynojet testing / charts can and will always vary!
People keep saying this bike will be slow or it'll be a dog or whatever they say but the truth is it'll make more power than whatever they're currently riding, so what's to bitch about? If your current bike makes 180 hp and you expected the ZX-14 to have 280 hp, then yeah you're gonna be very disappointed when the figures are revealed. I on the other hand can accept that if the ZX-14 makes just 10 to 15 more hp or trq or both, then I'd call it a step up; not a big step but a step up all the same. Again, It's all about what you expected and 250 hp isn't a very realistic expectation.
There's alot of bikes out there on the street; they're about to get crushed, period!
Phil
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trenace
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posted February 09, 2006 06:40 PM
You didn't say crank hp, and when people toss around figures like 200 and they don't understand that that is crank hp, it sounds very impressive, but then when realizing it's crank hp being talked about and doing the conversion, it turns out to be not so exciting. That was all I meant.
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