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posted February 07, 2006 09:57 PM
 Edited By: dubious on 7 Feb 2006 21:58
Kawasaki read this!
The theorectical RWHP dyno #'s ( 12% loss from advertised crank figures) really suck.
10 HP more than next fastest bike really is a joke.
165-170 RWHP doesn't cut the mustard after all the hype around this bike.
Now is an opportune time before potential customers walk away.
Kawasaki Please give us RW dyno readings stock and mod , and redeem yourself !
Drag timeslips may help.
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posted February 07, 2006 09:59 PM
wow... you're like a kid without his candy...
be patient already!
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posted February 07, 2006 10:12 PM
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Drag timeslips may help.
Would you like the one's that the average ZX14 will turn or the one's from the super tuned models that have been living at MUZZY's, Coby Adams, & Rickey G's shops for the past couple of months being honed to a razors edge?? 
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posted February 07, 2006 10:16 PM
Like a dog witho.........er....with a bone.
How much longer?
Good God its a bike.
If there is nothing to hide....... then why?
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posted February 07, 2006 10:18 PM
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Drag timeslips may help.
Would you like the one's that the average ZX14 will turn or the one's from the super tuned models that have been living at MUZZY's, Coby Adams, & Rickey G's shops for the past couple of months being honed to a razors edge??
yeah, i noticed what appeared to be fresh welds on the inlet of stock cans of RG's .
Cats begone?
I don't like cats either but ..............
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posted February 07, 2006 10:28 PM
Edited By: trenace on 7 Feb 2006 22:32
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The theorectical RWHP dyno #'s ( 12% loss from advertised crank figures) really suck.
10 HP more than next fastest bike really is a joke.
Really?
Since when has one model eclipsed all predecessors by much if any more than 10 hp per "new king"?
The Busa didn't exceed the Blackbird by very much more than that, and the 'Bird sure didn't exceed the ZX-11 by that much, etc. etc as far back as you want to go.
Sorry I don't know how a miracle was expected from only about 140cc particularly when obtained mostly from longer stroke. The "estimates" various folk were putting out of 180 rwhp and more just never made sense.
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posted February 07, 2006 10:32 PM
Edited By: gunner on 7 Feb 2006 22:34
I think he expected A LOT more. AS we all did. The 12 made more power than the Zuke and was 100cc smaller. Now the 14 is a 100 cc bigger. It should have rolled the world backward if all things remained the same. It appears it hasn't by what we see here today. What we have here is a Hondasaki 
I suspected things weren't good by their lack of info being released. The weight will suck ass as well.
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posted February 07, 2006 10:33 PM
Edited By: dubious on 7 Feb 2006 22:39
Don't want to get pissy with you Trenace.
What side are you on though?
Eclipsing bikes?
Suzuki gs1150ef -1984
Yamaha v max, -1985,
GSXR750- 1985
Gsxr 1100- 1986
Kawi zx11
Hayabusa,-1999
2004 zx10
Come immediately to mind as eclipsing bikes.
Sure there are others I am forgetting.
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posted February 07, 2006 10:34 PM
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If there is nothing to hide....... then why?
there is everything to hide... and it needs to be hidden from YOU... and only YOU!
HA!
HAHAHHAHAHHAHHA!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHA!
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posted February 07, 2006 10:40 PM
Forgott,
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posted February 07, 2006 10:45 PM
Edited By: trenace on 7 Feb 2006 22:52
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Don't want to get pissy with you Trenace.
What side are you on though?
Eclipsing bikes?
Suzuki gs1150ef -1984
Yamaha v max, -1985,
GSXR750- 1985
Gsxr 1100- 1986
Kawi zx11
Hayabusa,-1999
2004 zx10
Come immediately to mind as eclipsing bikes.
Sure there are others I am forgetting.
So, which of these were improvements way bigger than 10 hp from one sportbike hp king to the next, and how many were about 10 hp or less? I do not believe I was incorrect to say that it's generally no more or not much more than that, 10 hp is an increment absolutely in line with history.
Also those are NOT the list of sportbikes that successively had the hp crown.
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posted February 07, 2006 10:46 PM
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The theorectical RWHP dyno #'s ( 12% loss from advertised crank figures) really suck.
10 HP more than next fastest bike really is a joke.
165-170 RWHP doesn't cut the mustard after all the hype around this bike.
Now is an opportune time before potential customers walk away.
Kawasaki Please give us RW dyno readings stock and mod , and redeem yourself !
Drag timeslips may help.
Where's the beef?
Good night guys.
Maybe the sun will be out tomorrow
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posted February 07, 2006 10:53 PM
Edited By: dubious on 7 Feb 2006 23:01
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Don't want to get pissy with you Trenace.
What side are you on though?
Eclipsing bikes?
Suzuki gs1150ef -1984 vs gs1100
Yamaha v max, -1985, vs v65 magna
GSXR750- 1985 vs ?
Gsxr 1100- 1986
Kawi zx11- maybe not HP but top speed!
Hayabusa,-1999 vs zx11
2004 zx10 vs 2003/04 Gsxr1000
Come immediately to mind as eclipsing bikes.
Sure there are others I am forgetting.
So, which of these were improvements way bigger than 10 hp, and how many were about 10 hp or less?
Also those are NOT the list of bikes that successively had the hp crown.
All of these bikes ecclipsed the predecesor by more than 10HP in their RESPECTIVE class , with half the hype.
Its the hype vs HP is my issue.
Walk the talk.
Good night gents.
PS.
If you read my posts , all but 1 have been positive toward the bike, the corp, and the kawi people, till tonight.
I still have hope, and the look of the bike has actually grown on me.
Next to last yrs zx10, I think its the best looking sport bike available.
I'll probably save my money for turbo rather than pipe though, unless we can get 200 RWHP in under $2500.
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posted February 07, 2006 10:56 PM
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Where's the beef?
Just HOLD still and Kawasaki will serve it to you in just a few more days They're all out of buns SO they'll just slide it between your's if you don't mind  Blahahahahahaha!!!!!
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posted February 07, 2006 11:03 PM
Right on!!
LOL.
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posted February 07, 2006 11:32 PM
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quote:
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Don't want to get pissy with you Trenace.
What side are you on though?
Eclipsing bikes?
Suzuki gs1150ef -1984 vs gs1100
Yamaha v max, -1985, vs v65 magna
GSXR750- 1985 vs ?
Gsxr 1100- 1986
Kawi zx11- maybe not HP but top speed!
Hayabusa,-1999 vs zx11
2004 zx10 vs 2003/04 Gsxr1000
Come immediately to mind as eclipsing bikes.
Sure there are others I am forgetting.
So, which of these were improvements way bigger than 10 hp, and how many were about 10 hp or less?
Also those are NOT the list of bikes that successively had the hp crown.
All of these bikes ecclipsed the predecesor by more than 10HP in their RESPECTIVE class , with half the hype.
Its the hype vs HP is my issue.
Walk the talk.
Good night gents.
Well you can make assertions all you want but that doesn't mean they're true.
Let's start with your last example, ZX-10R vs Gixxer. That is NOT over 10 hp comparing average bike to average bike same dyno, let alone something much more than 10 hp. (I did not state it's never ANY above, just generally not much if any over.)
Busa vs ZX-11? Are you forgetting the 'Bird? About 150 seems average for Busas I would say, if I recall 135 for the 'Bird, so that's fifteen which is an UNUSUALLY high increment but still only 5 hp past what I consider typical, 10 hp or less.
Blackbird vs ZX-11? Less than 10 hp.
As to your other examples, first you're trying to create a different question than I was answering, namely hp king among sportbikes and how they have gone up, and creating a different question -- including even cruisers -- and then using that answer to try to disprove a different question is pure bullshit, frankly.
Even so, you failed to demonstrate that each of your examples violates the "10 hp or not much more than that" figure for typical incremental advances.
Just stop and think about it... bikes have been cranking out 100 hp at the rear wheel for quite a long time... now they're up to the 160s.... so how was each jump along the way greatly over 10 hp? Either there would have been damn few jumps (not so) or the increases were not on the order of 20 hp or whatever. Simple logic, if you don't want to bother considering different bikes, which I did.
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posted February 08, 2006 04:21 AM
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quote]The theorectical RWHP dyno #'s ( 12% loss from advertised crank figures) really suck.
10 HP more than next fastest bike really is a joke.
165-170 RWHP doesn't cut the mustard after all the hype around this bike.
Now is an opportune time before potential customers walk away.
Kawasaki Please give us RW dyno readings stock and mod , and redeem yourself !
Drag timeslips may help.
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posted February 08, 2006 05:53 AM
I can give you my RWH readings of my 14....
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posted February 08, 2006 06:27 AM
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I can give you my RWH readings of my 14....
And how many miles inbetween rebuilds...
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posted February 08, 2006 07:57 AM
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posted February 08, 2006 10:35 AM
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I can give you my RWH readings of my 14....
And how many miles inbetween rebuilds...
if they were street miles they would have been plenty... Over 1200 dragstrip passes..... and about 20+ dyno pulls, oh and about 600-700 actual street miles...
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posted February 08, 2006 11:41 AM
Forgott,
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I was wondering how long it would take for the haterade to filter down.
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posted February 08, 2006 11:52 AM
zxfingyz.. yer preaching to the choir
click here and turn up volume
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posted February 08, 2006 12:27 PM
Kawasaki disontinued 3 bikes zzr1200, zrx1200, and the zx12r.. All for this bike? No way.. I think another nastier bike is coming, sit tight for 07 and 08.. There's money in the budget for another bike..IMHO
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posted February 08, 2006 02:37 PM
It's a conspiracy, they won't tell anyone what the real Torque and Horsepower is so the government won't get upset about it until it's too late. I bet it has got 200HP at the back wheel, you just have to flick a switch under the seat to take off the restriction in the igition system. Even the magazine testers will be made to keep quiet about it Ah Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha *cough*
Ok I'm going crazy with all the waiting for this thing *sigh*
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