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posted January 17, 2006 08:11 PM
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No, in the state of tune previously being reported, it was 8 hp more peak, a TON more torque at 2000, plus better emissions, all from just an extra 140 cc or so. Pretty reasonable when considering the tuning for much more bottom end.
Of course, if leaving low end the same and not caring about emissions, they would achieve a much bigger increase than that.
As it is, according to a couple of reports, Kawasaki was considering stepping up the state of tune from that point where saying 8 hp more peak -- if they do, then torque at 2000 (and also values like 3000, 4000, and 5000) will drop in consequence, which is fine with me certainly at the 2000 level, though reduction at 4000 and 5000 does actually probably hurt typical riding more than a couple extra ponies past 10,000 help it.
As for my bike (a 12) what I expected to do is set up two states of tune:
One for the standing mile where the powerband from 8000 to redline is pretty much sweet fuck all, maximuzing that area under the curve, so just so long as first gear can still pull up into the sweet range without losing too much space. But it doesn't have be strong down low, just adequate.
And the second for street riding, where I guess I'd like to maxiumum the area under the curve of between 4000 and 10,000 let's say.
Quite possibly quite different cam timings to do that, and quite possibly different cams (e.g. Muzzy race for the first, but stock for the second, or double stock intake?)
Back to the 14, Kawasaki could give it the sweet-fuck-all emphasis on the top, but for the best streetbike that's not best. Most riders will probably notice 20% more torque at 4000 and 5000 than they would 5% more hp at 10,000 and 11,000. So how is it best traded off?
  
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posted January 17, 2006 11:39 PM
I have a photo of that cut-away 14, and I can see more than two chamber leaks inside the final/secondary chamber. Call the secondary chamber after the air cleaner, where the velocity stacks are. There is a breather tube coming off the top of the valve cover, and is plumbed into the secondary chamber. That tube going though a rubber sleeve will need a bead of silicone around it, or sealed off completely for closed course comp.
There also looks like a plate around the velocity stacks that also will need to be addressed for leaks. What looks like a sensor (bellow?) for the ECM, is mounted somehow from the outside? This hangs down inside the secondary chamber, and is mounted up top and to the left of the frame. A fourth seal is the old motocross air cleaner sealer trick. Remove the air cleaner, then grease the outer contact edges with heavy grease to seal minor leaks and capture any grit getting past and into chamber 2.
The photo shows only so much, so there may be more areas that are potential leaks not showing in this picture angle.
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trenace
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posted January 18, 2006 12:56 AM
Edited By: trenace on 18 Jan 2006 00:56
Minor leaks shouldn't hurt a static dyno run though (not that you said it did.) Indeed they likely are worth plugging at speed.
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posted January 18, 2006 01:35 AM
The secondary chamber looks huge to me. I don't have the eye for distance or volume, but one cylinder sucking in that amount of volume, may suck up a 1/3 of the chamber, before it vacuums to move air through the air cleaner?
When Doug said one held a seal closing off all entries and exits, it made a difference. Did that show up in a static gain or salt gain?
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posted January 18, 2006 06:00 AM
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Have to agree with fishy
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posted January 18, 2006 06:49 AM
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"Back to the 14, Kawasaki could give it the sweet-fuck-all emphasis on the top, but for the best streetbike that's not best. Most riders will probably notice 20% more torque at 4000 and 5000 than they would 5% more hp at 10,000 and 11,000. So how is it best traded off?"
no, No, NO, NOOOOO!!!
I want the low torque too, let people who need the max hp buy turbo.
The best accelerations is achieved with the right balance
and that includes great torque, too (but not *just* torque like the 1700cc Yamaha MT-01).
Also note that this is not ZX-14R or RR model.
I hope the fuel tank is at least 6 US = 5 UK gallons or better.
I hope to get the best possible MPG in high speed from this bike.
I mean that one problem with 12R is that it eats too much gasoline at high speed.
The aerodynamic friction of Hayabusa must be a whole lot better.
The new "ugly" ZX-14 will certainly be even better than Hayabusa.
Looking forward to ride at very high speed through Germany using express ways.
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posted January 18, 2006 02:39 PM
I just saw 180-183 rwhp on another site.....from a reliable source, no doubt.
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posted January 18, 2006 04:46 PM
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posted January 18, 2006 05:13 PM
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These numbers come from Coby Adams on his very low reading dyno........reliable source of mine is Coby himself..
Oh shit it looks like someone is covering up something. Look at the numbers all these other dumbass's are showing. You all are a bunch of dumbass's for thinking that these numbers are real
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posted January 18, 2006 05:15 PM
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Just got off the phone with somebody and they told me it dynoed 169 rwhp stock with no break in.
Thats poppycock!!
Kawasaki would not go to all this trouble unless it makes an honest 195 plus at the tire!!!!! Why bother otherwise? I think they learned a HUGE lesson on the 12! They should have made that 195 HP at the tire then all would have made sense then. Of course the new 14 would be 220 then!!
You look like the dumbass now shithead
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posted January 18, 2006 06:01 PM
hey.. why ya gotta be like that? 
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posted January 18, 2006 07:45 PM
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posted January 18, 2006 08:48 PM
The pressure in the airbox at speed is so low that even a small leak or leaks can reduce it significantly or negate it completely.
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posted January 18, 2006 10:13 PM
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I just saw 180-183 rwhp on another site.....from a reliable source, no doubt.
someone(s) knows.........just with all the figures floating around.....lets just say that rwhp will be 169-195 and forget about it all for 2 minutes 
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posted January 19, 2006 12:36 AM
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The pressure in the airbox at speed is so low that even a small leak or leaks can reduce it significantly or negate it completely.
Doug
Thank you Doug. Understood so far. I'm sorry, I don't know the terminology for the airbox system. I used my own for a lack of knowing the technical advancements. It's all new to me. I'm learning, and now I'm trying to follow the pressure's flow from the air intake opening to the intake's valve exit?
Doug, are you describing a full low pressure in both primary (before A/C) and the secondary (after A/C) chambers?
I would think the A/C being a transition gate between both chambers, there would be a disruption (pressure) happening in the secondary chamber because of the blow-back overlapping through an intake port, and then one cylinder creating a vacuum on the intake stroke.
I'm just trying to walk myself through every chamber to see who is doing what? Just trying to work through it.
So far, I guess there is some kind of constant in the primary, because there is nothing but a tube (for simple purposes) up to the air cleaner filter to change the pressure into the secondary...no?
For (closed course) top speed purposes, what happens if the A/C filter is removed? Will this give an unbroken full (low) wave pressure to the air horns? Will this lean out the bike, and max the map parameters for fuel? (Trying to figure out how FI works as well?). TY
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posted January 19, 2006 04:59 AM
Sure are alot of sources out there and alot of leaks!!!!
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posted January 19, 2006 07:24 AM
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a lot of leakin
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posted January 19, 2006 04:31 PM
I see a lot of numbers thrown around on here, but one of you may have gabbed the right one!
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Don't you guys get sick of this same stupid arguement everytime the bikeshow comes around?
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