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posted January 17, 2006 02:46 PM
Somebody with one leaked stock hp numbers at the wheel
Just got off the phone with somebody and they told me it dynoed 169 rwhp stock with no break in. After some air box mods they got 185 hp to the wheel. This is a legit source. I hope that it is more but damn my 10 has almost that now with mods...
   
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posted January 17, 2006 03:14 PM
They picked up 16 HP with some air box mods? what the hell did the do, cut holes in the frame? how do you mod a frame airbox. and gain 16HP???
I dont think I would believe your source....
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drowland
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posted January 17, 2006 03:17 PM
Well that was after break in and air box mods..... Excuse me
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posted January 17, 2006 03:21 PM
Not that bad if that RAM-Air thingy can boost it to 192hp at wheel
With this I don't mean dyno, but actual ride at 300 kph speed,
which naturally can't be dynoed
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posted January 17, 2006 03:34 PM
who'd ya call?
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posted January 17, 2006 04:02 PM
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who'd ya call?
That's a good question. I spoke to someone who had a friend who knew a guy he worked with that told him to tell me to ask that question but I forgot. Shit.
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posted January 17, 2006 04:11 PM
It would be interesting to know what the "air box mods" are.
On the 12, as MM points out, there really is nothing to do there except better air filters, and that's a slight improvement only.
Now, I can't know that maybe the 14 doesn't have some weird shit designed to reduce intake noise and you get rid of the weird shit and you get a nice gain... but if so, it would be nice if this source explained that.
On the other hand, if it's similar to the 12 -- which from the cutaway it seems to be -- it's very hard to understand any airbox mod, besides filters, doing anything or even existing?
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posted January 17, 2006 04:11 PM
 Edited By: fish_antlers on 17 Jan 2006 16:11
just call 1-900-bull-shit 
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posted January 17, 2006 04:39 PM
Edited By: Drowland on 19 Jan 2006 04:26
I guess we will see what the mods were if its the truth.. That is 169 new and around 185 after break in and air box mods...
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posted January 17, 2006 04:46 PM
Seems like the 169 number could be plausible - of course now we're gonna open up the whole dyno/dyno conditions/tire pressure/blah, blah ..... discussion.
Considering the 12's are around 160 stock (broken in) and unbroken in motor at 169 probably isn't too far off.
Likely see another 5 or so horse after break in too which means that this bike stock would have bout the same power as my 01 12 did with the full pipe/PC3 and fitlers.
Is nitrous considered an airbox mod?
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posted January 17, 2006 04:49 PM
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posted January 17, 2006 04:56 PM
I know the REAL numbers....and its NOT 169! Thats a "lil" low......sorry...sworn to secrecy!
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posted January 17, 2006 05:01 PM
Then spit it out GaryB. Every dyno is a little different. I just relayed what I heard because I thought everyone would like to know....
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posted January 17, 2006 05:10 PM
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I know the REAL numbers....and its NOT 169! Thats a "lil" low......sorry...sworn to secrecy!
wait a minute... I saw this in a movie... was it ben hur?
"No... I know the real #'s!"
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posted January 17, 2006 05:27 PM
Edited By: trenace on 17 Jan 2006 17:28
I agree with D and by no means was impugning Drowland.
The 169 figure, rear wheel SAE, is not implausible. As D points out, though not exactly in those words, that's at least 8 hp more than some 12's on some dynos have put out SAE. And Kawasaki had at least one leaked figure of around 8 hp more peak.
The only thing I was meaning to say is that unless there's something new about this airbox (that is to say, frame with Ram Air inlet, duct, and frame opening or openings) it's hard to understand plural mods being available to do there, or much gain. On the other hand, maybe it's not impossible there's something new to know about this bike in that regard. It would be desirable if the fellow saying that "mods," plural, to the airbox were done, to let us know a little about that, or was it just something so simple as swapping air filters -- but do any existing aftermarket air filters fit yet?
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posted January 17, 2006 05:30 PM
No way. Maybe with one spark plug out.
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posted January 17, 2006 06:17 PM
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Just got off the phone with somebody and they told me it dynoed 169 rwhp stock with no break in.
Thats poppycock!!
Kawasaki would not go to all this trouble unless it makes an honest 195 plus at the tire!!!!! Why bother otherwise? I think they learned a HUGE lesson on the 12! They should have made that 195 HP at the tire then all would have made sense then. Of course the new 14 would be 220 then!!
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posted January 17, 2006 06:21 PM
I just found out that the guy who told me wasn't to good of a reliable source...
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posted January 17, 2006 06:24 PM
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posted January 17, 2006 06:32 PM
My source comes from the only THREE that are in this country...all 3 dynoed the same number in 3 different parts of the country. I CAN NOT say...but you will like it! The hype is real...oh yes, its REAL!
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posted January 17, 2006 06:34 PM
yep... only 3 in this country  ...
uh huh
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posted January 17, 2006 06:43 PM
Edited By: snotrag on 17 Jan 2006 18:51
These numbers come from Coby Adams on his very low reading dyno........reliable source of mine is Coby himself..
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posted January 17, 2006 06:48 PM
just found out that the guy who told me wasn't to good of a reliable source
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posted January 17, 2006 07:13 PM
I would bet quite a lot at quite high odds against 195 SAE at the rear tire. Not remotely plausible IMO.
Kawasaki has only been talking 200 or a little more at the crank.
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posted January 17, 2006 07:41 PM
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I agree with D and by no means was impugning Drowland.
The 169 figure, rear wheel SAE, is not implausible. As D points out, though not exactly in those words, that's at least 8 hp more than some 12's on some dynos have put out SAE. And Kawasaki had at least one leaked figure of around 8 hp more peak.
The benifit of 6 yrs additional tech advancement, a significant bump in displacement and compression = 8 hp over ZX-12R. If that's it Kawi should bend over and prepare to get packed.
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