trenace
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posted December 22, 2005 09:39 PM
MCN: Production to begin in less than one month
From MCN:
KAWASAKI ZZ-R1400
WE'RE just a couple ofweeks away from finally answering the question of how
much power the new Kawasaki ZZ-R1400 really makes. The firm is due to put the
new machine into production in less than a month, and the final fuel injection
specification must be decided before then. The engine is capable of well in excess
of 200bhp, according to Kawasaki insiders, but whether it is offered for sale tuned
to its full potential depends on an imminent decision from the firm.
  
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zxhoya
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posted December 22, 2005 10:00 PM
trenace, in what ways do you think Kaw would "de-tune" the engine for final production? Would it just be engine management or some other way ie exhaust......? Just asking for opinions.
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trenace
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posted December 22, 2005 10:08 PM
 Edited By: trenace on 22 Dec 2005 22:09
My opinion is totally inexpert as I have never had any involvement in such decisions. It does seem to me likely it would be things that do not require new parts, such as engine management (as you say) i.e. fueling and ignition timing, and cam timing (lobe centers.)
It's possible that they might have two or three potential specs of exhausts tuned to emphasize different parts of the rpm band and put off till the last minute which spec to pic, but that would seem a little unwise to me, as it would result in much wasted effort doing mapping for exhausts that will never be used. I'd tend to guess that they'd be decided enough on the exhaust much earlier on.
But truly I don't know and the above might be ignorant (well actually it is ignorant, lacking knowledge.)
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speedgene
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posted December 22, 2005 10:41 PM
quote:
From MCN:
KAWASAKI ZZ-R1400
The engine is capable of well in excess
of 200bhp, according to Kawasaki insiders, but whether it is offered for sale tuned
to its full potential depends on an imminent decision from the firm.
I'm paying for a product that should be sold with it's "full potential", because I put my **** money down for it.
The parts can handle the power....They were built for it.
The human can handle the power... Man is an adaptable, and amazing species. When the Z-1 came out, you thought it was fast as all get-up. When the Busas came out, you though it was.....oh forget it...... "Speed is Relative." What part of speed don't you understand?
The (outstanding) engineers at Kawasaki R&D can go back to the drawing board. Because this 14 is played out to beat all comers. The competition is already working to beat you Kawasaki. Lock in the HP this time! Stop playing around with the deck of power, and pull the trump card out already. It will take a few years for (others to) catch-up, and you'll be ahead of the game....for now.
You want a "Busa Beater" or not Kawasaki? Give the bike all 200 PLUS!
QUIT FUCKING AROUND!
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blueford
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posted December 23, 2005 03:01 PM
Edited By: blueford on 23 Dec 2005 16:02
Over 200 (rwhp) will blow my mind, that's hard to believe, but if true, I'd guess they would sell out all over the US in a couple months.
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Gary B
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posted December 23, 2005 05:39 PM
NOT, let me repeat...NOT going to happen!! This bike will have 172-178rwhp! Remember where you heard it first.
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trenace
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posted December 23, 2005 08:19 PM
They are definitely talking about crank hp in that article.
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posted December 23, 2005 09:56 PM
174 rwhp in showroom stock form
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fish_antlers
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posted December 23, 2005 10:11 PM
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NOT, let me repeat...NOT going to happen!! This bike will have 172-178rwhp! Remember where you heard it first.
from GAry B? 
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speedgene
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posted December 23, 2005 11:39 PM
Re-Badge the bike:
"ZX14 2+2" (200HP + 200MPH)
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psycho1122
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posted December 24, 2005 05:33 AM
The 178 h.p. # looks close....How about 105 to 110 ft. lbs of T.Q.!!!! 
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Rubber Pants
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posted December 24, 2005 09:35 AM
If they had BALLS it should have 200 RWHP. The it would go down as the most power to wieght production bike in history as I'm sure all the do gooders will end the HP war on street MC's!
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supra5677
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posted December 24, 2005 10:25 AM
I agree the bike will defenetely have 103-105 foot pounds of torque.. But as far as horsepower the same as a 12 with an akrapovic and pc3
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gaby12
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posted December 24, 2005 10:23 PM
My thoughts are whats the difference between 174 and 184.........come on Kawasaki...give us what we want.....what we don't want is "some nansey pansey amemic gettin beat by a busa" motorcycle.
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hawkman
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posted December 25, 2005 08:56 AM
I say 180 rwhp minimum...you heard it here.
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jimzx9r
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posted December 26, 2005 12:17 PM
We should set up a pool for the first zx14 dyno.
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EVIL1
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posted February 03, 2006 07:20 PM
I THINK ALONG THE LINES OF 190RHP MUZZY ALLREADY HAS THE EXAUST SYSTEM ON LINE WITH A PICTURE LOOKS GOOD
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EVIL1
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posted February 03, 2006 07:24 PM
SOMETIMES I THINK KAWI LOST THERE NERVE BACK IN THE DAY THEY DIDNT CARE ABOUT GENTLEMENS AGREEMENTS OR SHIT LIKE THAT LETS BREAK THE AGREEMENT AND GO FOR IT. BY THE TIME THE FEDS HAVE THERE HEARINGS SUZUKI WONT HAVE TIME TO MAKE SOME SHIT UP
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posted February 04, 2006 08:41 AM
You can stop yelling now.
And the agreement was for top speed, not horsepower.
It could have 250 hp and still be restricted to 186.
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psycho1122
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posted February 04, 2006 09:28 AM
190 at the wheel with a full pipe and map is VERY realistic! TQ could peak at 110 also!!
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posted February 04, 2006 09:41 AM
Even at 190 RWHP that still puts the bike at just 3 lbs per hp.
My 10 with an air filter and slip on at 156 RWHP is at 2.7 lbs per hp.
Both figures are based on full wet weights (I'm assuming 580 lbs for the 14).
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FearsomeK
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posted February 05, 2006 06:41 AM
Kawasaki have official specs now posted on the official Kawasaki CH (Swiss) as 192 crank hp and 110lb/ft crank torque. Weight is 217kg. Only over 200hp with ram air.
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FearsomeK
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posted February 05, 2006 07:00 AM
ooops, just seen the thread below. Doh!
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