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posted December 21, 2005 04:31 PM
Trenace isn't dry weight also without pipes? The bottom line is the Rolling weight out the door of the dealership. And there's NO way in the world it's as lite as the 12. 430 pounds is way more than wishful thinking. That's about like saying either of those 2 ladies over in the French woman thread in the Smack house weigh in at a lovely 115 pounds. My Gad man just look at them and it's clear that there's NO WAY ON EARTH! Same thing here. You can't hide that much weight when it's looking dead into your eyes 
  
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posted December 21, 2005 04:47 PM
 Edited By: trenace on 21 Dec 2005 16:49
No, pipes are included.
But also, no, curb weight is not close to dry weight, nor is difference in curb weights necessarily equal to difference in dry weights even after accounting for difference in fuel capacity.
However, if a bike's successor is reported as much heavier or much lighter in dry weight than it's predecessor, it's a pretty good guess that the curb weight will also be changing in that same direction, though not necessarily by the exact same amount.
The 12's dry weight already differed from curb weight about as far as it's going to go... if the dry weight of the 14 really is given as 20 or 30 lb lighter than of the 12's, then I think it's a strong bet that the curb weight really is considerably lighter as well.
I don't know how you can eyeball the 14 and be sure it is heavier than the 12. I mean I don't see a single part that has to be heavier (though maybe the crank is, and the exhaust likely is though the 12's exhaust is already so heavy the difference if against the 14 probably isn't much), and the wheels are likely lighter.
Basically to me the weight of the 14 is still an unknown. It seems unlikely to me it's drastically lighter than the 12 though.
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posted December 21, 2005 05:54 PM
Time will tell I'm sure. It's not worth beating on anymore. I've got to go help Fish run the WalMart. We OWN that place I'm told so I better go and help him
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posted December 21, 2005 06:30 PM
Why would the French be in San Jose?
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posted December 21, 2005 06:51 PM
I would think that would be mostly Mexicans' 
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posted December 29, 2005 02:18 PM
Weight 217,5 kg = 479,5 lbs dry (no ABS)
Torque 149Nm-157Nm
190hp +RAM-Air => 200+hp @ crank
seat height 805 mm
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posted December 29, 2005 02:20 PM
quote:where ? it is possible to make us a copy of this text ?
its in '' l'annuel de la moto 2006'' and i read it and there are other info that are wrong like the max speed is 325 km/hre its made in canada/quebec. i aint paying 28 $ for that bullshit book
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posted December 29, 2005 04:28 PM
clip at your will :-)
this is from a dealers mouth (in FInland)
I did not take a picture of him so you can't print it...
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posted December 30, 2005 12:18 AM
????????? this is the spec of the zx-14 ?? really ??????
Weight 217,5 kg = 479,5 lbs dry (no ABS)
Torque 149Nm-157Nm
190hp +RAM-Air => 200+hp @ crank
seat height 805 mm
?§§§§§§????
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posted December 30, 2005 06:59 AM
I have been "corrected":
info is 196kg dry, or about 232 kg wet,
and 183 hp at the wheel
AND
I hope that I'm wrong and that these numbers are right
4 if they are, I tell U: we have definately an "are" model from Kawi
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posted December 30, 2005 06:24 PM
196kg dry and 232kg wet? Thats a HUGE difference!! Something not right there.
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posted December 30, 2005 06:28 PM
183 hp at the rear wheel would be a very respectable jump forward -- nearly as big a jump as there's ever been in the top class actually. Much bigger than the gap between the Blackbird and the ZX-11, and maybe a little bigger than the jump between the Busa and the Blackbird. So that's a pretty respectable increment.
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posted December 30, 2005 06:34 PM
Edited By: trenace on 30 Dec 2005 18:37
On the weights question, the difference there would be 36 kg. If by "wet" VPN means "curb," then that is similar to though a little greater than the ZX-12R's difference in dry vs curb weight, which was a 72.5 lb difference.
If the 14 carries a gallon more gas, then that would equalize things.
So as bizarrely high as the difference sounds, it's not unprecendented or impossible really.
That 232 kg wet would be 510 lb. No featherweight, but especially if it's with an extra gallon of gas (I don't know if that's the case) it would be a respectable improvement, particularly if the exhaust is heavier and thus represents an area of greater potential savings than the 12's exhaust, though that may not be the case as the 12's exhaust is quite heavy itself.
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posted December 31, 2005 05:08 AM
OK, so we go with 510lbs wet, 183 rwhp with 110 ftlbs of torque.
My god, this will be a ROCKET SHIP!!!!!!!!!
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posted December 31, 2005 07:33 AM
My 2002 ZX12 is 510 wet with 1 gallon of gas!!!...All it has for weight savings is an Akrapovic pipe and no mirrors, by the way the 510lbs. is with the tool bag in the back!!!
My 12 puts out 170-175 at the rear wheel and has gone 9.21 @ 152mph in the 1/4 mile with a 60" wheelbase!!!
The 14 has alot of potential, since it is probably a 59" wheelbase with more weight towards front of bike, a guess of 190hp at the wheel with an Akrapovic pipe and MR9 fuel, weigh about 495 wet with an Akrapovic pipe and 1 gallon of gas...Now, slammed for DragRacing with the Akrapovic pipe, gearing and MR9 fuel the ZX14 will be going 8.90s !!!
You'll see!!!...The Busa guys will be crying 
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posted December 31, 2005 07:13 PM
So...you got one ordered Rick?
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posted January 01, 2006 12:09 AM
Not yet Gary...Waiting till I see it in person and take a few passes on it...
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posted January 02, 2006 07:16 AM
Well I phoned today at the dealer in Finland and
he insisted on 217,5 kg dry
(without ABS, no centerstand, but cowling before backwheel)
that is 479,5 lbs dry
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Gary B
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posted January 02, 2006 08:56 AM
Why does Finland know this before anyone else?
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fullzx12r
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posted January 02, 2006 09:23 AM
on which basis, do say they that??? on which proof?
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posted January 02, 2006 10:12 AM
Gary, a dealer spewing #'s at this point is nothing more than a sales tactic. No real figures have been released. If they had, then everyone would know.
Anything more right now is pure conjecture.
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posted January 02, 2006 11:28 AM
Edited By: blueford on 2 Jan 2006 11:30
Fish is right but I've got afeeling,
This bike is looking pretty fucking good to me, I am thinking at my age the 10 is just too track focused for me,
I love the twisties, but how much faster can I ride that shit, in California they cut the roads right through the mountains so in some right handers you have a milli second to see what's ahead.
I think Kawa has appreciably improved the handling over the 12, lower weight by 50lbs?, mass centralization and better comfort, what's not to like? The front, fuck, who sees that when your sailing in calm air at a buck fifty?
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posted January 02, 2006 12:24 PM
Edited By: ZX11D on 2 Jan 2006 12:26
quote:
Fish is right but I've got afeeling,
This bike is looking pretty fucking good to me, I am thinking at my age the 10 is just too track focused for me,
I love the twisties, but how much faster can I ride that shit, in California they cut the roads right through the mountains so in some right handers you have a milli second to see what's ahead.
I think Kawa has appreciably improved the handling over the 12, lower weight by 50lbs?, mass centralization and better comfort, what's not to like? The front, fuck, who sees that when your sailing in calm air at a buck fifty?
Enybody else will see only your tail anyway! 
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posted January 04, 2006 04:34 PM
I also phoned to the importer, Sumeko
The "Kawi" person there told that they can confirm
prototype bike seat height 805mm
Everything else about power, etc, are educated guesses
BUT the great torque at 2000 is confirmed
we just have to wait longer for the confirmed figures
mean while - let the speculations continue - it's fun!
AND
it is quite possible that Kawasaki wants to hide the true figures from Suzuki as long as possible - be
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