fish_antlers
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posted December 11, 2005 08:14 PM
Here's a small, and by all means neitther complete nor accurate explanation of rankings and traffic.
Although accurate traffiic ranking can only be achieved by server sided software, several third party websites measure traffic and uptime on the web.
Netcraft.com is considered by many to be one of the most impartial, while Alexa.com is considered less impartial as it depends on it's users to be running an Alexa toolbar, which most savvy users consider to be spyware and delete. Alexa rankings are usually not considered to be terribly accurate as they represent a lowest common denomentator of users who know nothing about computers, the Internet, or spyware.
Both sites rank Google as #1, with a Universe (all websites online) of approximately 71,000,000 websites.
Netcraft:
kawasaki.com: 161,522
http://www.bikeland.org: 3,188,178 with a peak ranking of 82,516
zx14.net has no netcraft ranking whatsoever
Alexa:
Traffic Rank for kawasaki.com: 21,052
Traffic Rank for bikeland.org: 377,166
Traffic Rank for zx14.net: 1,739,548
If you want to cheat, you can install the Alexa toolbar on your computer and visit your site all the time, but any ad agency will see through this. You may have already done this as you have a ranking on Alexa.
You can see that freek and I both uninstalled the Alexa toolbar and bikeland's ranking dropped 400,000 spots even though our actuall traffic has increased daily. This is where the "we're # 1" thing wears thin. It is obvious to posters and readers of websites when a site is busy or slow. All you need to do is look at the amount of topics on the page and how quickly they move or have responses.
Beyond "the obvious" , traffic is measured server side. We dont get paid for "clicks" or "hits", to dispell any myths. We have a very simple ad rate system based on monthly rates. We have a few supporters, and we are very happy that they have stuck around and helped us grow to where we are today.
The truth of the matter is that without companies like Muzzy and Orient Express, we wouldnt be here.
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riding addicted
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posted December 11, 2005 08:16 PM
 Edited By: riding addicted on 11 Dec 2005 20:17
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Facts?? What facts? I remember ANOTHER ZX12 site boasting about "ratings" and how that owner valued them. Even though as a whole the contributions, events, and overall knowledge base was greater on this site. What was even funnier was the fact that we could log on a vote that turd of a site down in the ratings....lol... just because we can.
Claiming your #1 and backing it up are 2 entirely different things.
Will you site draw folks from thousands of miles just to ride with a few folks?
Will you be able to draw 70+ bikes at a premier event?
Can your site sustain relationships between posters, even if they dont own a bike related to your site?
Im going to guess NO.
Get over yourself and your google stats. The LAST freaking place I look for bike information is google.
At the first hint of protest.... you give up like a pussy and ask for your account to be deleted.
I dont think I want to be apart of an online community that has a pussy for an owner...let alone pay $15 for one.
You really should get over yerself..
What kind of bike do you ride now? What about previous bikes since 1999?
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I will let the facts speak for themselves. ZX-14 site vs. ZX-14 site. We are doing pretty well for a dork site. Ranked number one in the world for ZX-14 websites.
The following is our link popularity grading. Here are our numbers up against the competition. The higher your link popularity, means more sites across the world link to your web site making it popular. This information was obtained through. WWW.FreeWebSubmission.com.
The FreeWebSubmission Link Popularity email report.
We have found the following links for the following domains.
Links for www.zx14.net
0 Google
4130 AllTheWeb
4190 AltaVista
22 MSN
0 HotBot
4190 Yahoo +
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12532 total links
Links for www.zx14.com
0 Google
12 AllTheWeb
14 AltaVista
3 MSN
0 HotBot
14 Yahoo +
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43 total links
Links for www.zx14ninja.com
2 Google
584 AllTheWeb
591 AltaVista
56 MSN
0 HotBot
591 Yahoo +
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1824 total links
And here is where we rank on the two top search engines in the world. There is no need to list the competition. Google and Yahoo Web Rankings: #1. If you need to verify use the search words ZX14 and ZZR1400 and ZZR-1400 and go to GoogleRankings.com.
Position: 1
ZX14 | ZX-14 | ZZR1400 | ZZR-1400 - ZX14.Net
ZX14.NET a web site designed to promote your ownership of the Kawasaki ZX-14.
We have parts, tours and more.
Check Google
Page Rank
Number of Backlinks: 0 (Check Google)
Position: 1 ZX14 | ZX-14 | ZZR1400 | ZZR-1400 - ZX14.Net
ZX14.NET a web site designed to promote your ownership of the Kawasaki ZX-14. We have parts, tours and more.
Check Yahoo
Can we end this please. My sponsors are the experts. I just ride.
Greg
I don't do the personal name calling stuff on the internet, I am (37) not 10. There are not many pussy's with a Medal of Valor and a Life Saving Medal that I know of but there are lot of them holding key boards on the web!
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fish_antlers
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posted December 11, 2005 08:17 PM
Edited By: fish_antlers on 11 Dec 2005 20:17
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I agree with you totally and yes we spent some money with Google ads as do you.
We have never paid a single penny to Google or to anyone to advertise this site in any way. It's all word of mouth hard work and that's the truth (and LOTS of alcohol!)
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Maybe we can have a ride and share a beer sometime.
I never turn down a beer!
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TurboBlew
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posted December 11, 2005 08:19 PM
Has nothing to do with "name calling"... you called it quits 20 posts into this thread.
Who are you ?
What bikes do you or have you owned?
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riding addicted
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posted December 11, 2005 08:21 PM
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I agree with you totally and yes we spent some money with Google ads as do you.
We have never paid a single penny to Google or to anyone to advertise this site in any way. It's all word of mouth hard work and that's the truth (and LOTS of alcohol!)
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Maybe we can have a ride and share a beer sometime.
I never turn down a beer!
I am sure we will meet and the first one is on me. I going back to my little space in the world. Not running because I am scared or can't ride or any other stupid reason like that. It's just not good business to continue in the manner this thread is going. Keep in touch and much success to you and your efforts here.
Greg Williams
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trenace
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posted December 11, 2005 08:21 PM
Edited By: trenace on 11 Dec 2005 20:21
I am always impressed when someone announces just plain out of nowhere that they have a "Medal of Valor and a Life Saving Medal!"
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TurboBlew
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posted December 11, 2005 08:23 PM
See my sig .....
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riding addicted
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posted December 11, 2005 08:25 PM
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Has nothing to do with "name calling"... you called it quits 20 posts into this thread.
Who are you ?
What bikes do you or have you owned?
Right now I have a 2005 ZZR1200. Been riding for 21 years. Started on a GT550, then onto a Ninja 250 onto a GSXR1100, ZX-11 and now a ZZR1200 and soon to be a Turbo Charged ZX-14. Who am I, just a regular guy who loves motorcycles and keeps out of trouble.
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TurboBlew
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posted December 11, 2005 08:27 PM
Owning motorcycles and keeping outta trouble... isnt that a paradox????
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fish_antlers
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posted December 11, 2005 08:29 PM
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Owning motorcycles and keeping outta trouble... isnt that a paradox????
He's got the "get out of jail free" card 
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riding addicted
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posted December 11, 2005 08:30 PM
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Owning motorcycles and keeping outta trouble... isnt that a paradox????
Let's just say I have had a little help in the trouble department. I am off, ride safe.
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trenace
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posted December 11, 2005 08:33 PM
Edited By: trenace on 11 Dec 2005 20:33
You know, he probably has as many or nearly as many posts on this site now, in just one day, as on his own site! Unless his own posts comprise an unseemly proportion of the 581 posts on his site.
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TurboBlew
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posted December 11, 2005 08:33 PM
lol.... imagine if they had something worthy to talk about......
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fullzx12r
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posted December 12, 2005 09:25 AM
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I was going to join so that I can read additional ZX14 info  I'm not paying to join a message board
http://zx14.net/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=125c46dc0fb0f165bd6172d687b90289&action=register
with you
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zxfingyz
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posted December 12, 2005 09:49 AM
Man, all this hoopla around these posts that have pretty much been instigated by the owner of some other board that cost money to join have really inspired me to stop what I am doing and surf over and take a look! Nothing like some fake controversy to stir up the web traffic!
Not.
Not surfing over. Not paying 15 bucks. Not concerned about your web traffic.
If you have advertisers they should be concerned that they are entrusting their brand names and good will to you. For some reason and it could be unreasonable-ness on my part, I find you and your posts and your guerilla marketing methods in this thread offensive.
I wouldn't buy from someone who advertised with you.
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zxfingyz
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posted December 12, 2005 09:50 AM
Oh and don't be expecting Fish to be taking you on the big zx-14 test drive trip either!
You are not invited!
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fish_antlers
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posted December 12, 2005 10:11 AM
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Oh and don't be expecting Fish to be taking you on the big zx-14 test drive trip either!
You are not invited!
zxfingyz....
That stuff ain't up to me... no one is invited anywhere... Including myself.
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zxfingyz
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posted December 12, 2005 01:31 PM
Ok but let's just say you WERE taking, say...30 or 40 guys to Cali to test drive the new ZX-14.
Surely he wouldn't be one of them would he?
I mean if you were, and no one is saying you are......
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frEEk
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posted December 12, 2005 01:39 PM
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Man, all this hoopla around these posts that have pretty much been instigated by the owner of some other board that cost money to join have really inspired me to stop what I am doing and surf over and take a look! Nothing like some fake controversy to stir up the web traffic!
Not.
Not surfing over. Not paying 15 bucks. Not concerned about your web traffic.
If you have advertisers they should be concerned that they are entrusting their brand names and good will to you. For some reason and it could be unreasonable-ness on my part, I find you and your posts and your guerilla marketing methods in this thread offensive.
I wouldn't buy from someone who advertised with you.
in all fairness, Greg/Riding Addicted did not start this thread or this topic, but came to defend his site when it was being bashed (accurately or not, i really have no idea). but greg, making hard to back claims like #1 in a thread like this is asking for trouble cause u _know_ people are gonna call u on it and liekly will argue against the claim even if you have a good explanation for the statement, which IMHO you do have a syntactically and symantically valid basis for and i applaud you for putting the effort into achieving that, but it's a bit of a straw man.
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posted December 12, 2005 03:12 PM
Just stop this stupid thread! It's so boresome to read. Everything else has been facinating, but this stuff...c'moon. that 15 bugs site is popping on Google and other places - no wonder thay get hits.
I rather read this site and all the other posts but his thread right here!
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extremelean
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posted December 12, 2005 07:20 PM
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Media rights with Kawasaki is a pretty broad statement. I can assure you that there isn't any information that is slipping through the cracks here.
Yes, ___ speaks very highly of your site as do I. I did not start this and you should end it. There is no need.
riding addicted.....It might not be a good idea to use peoples names from the various places that you receive your info. from.
Just a friendly suggestion
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zxhoya
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posted December 12, 2005 10:02 PM
Edited By: zxhoya on 12 Dec 2005 22:33
A quote from ZX14.net on why there is a fee:
''Secondly, it filters out those not truly interested in the ZX-14, to avoid flame wars and non-sense arguements by key board commandos, which are not tolorated on this forum at all! To date we have had not a single dispute and we want to keep it that way! Our system is working great!''
Not a single dispute? Where's the fun in that? That's just unAmerican. lol
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trenace
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posted December 12, 2005 10:08 PM
Hey, that guy kind of seemed like a "key board commando" himself, doncha think? Maybe he has got to ban himself?
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jimzx9r
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posted December 13, 2005 03:08 AM
The fee is just a little high if they want to keep off trolls. I don't think they would even be willing to pay a couple bucks.
It's not like they need $15 from everyone for the server costs with only 86 members.
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Varooom
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posted December 13, 2005 05:20 AM
I joined ZX14.net and glad I did. I'm not a rich man but come on, 15 bucks? I will spend that on beer and not blink an eye, no big deal there.
The nice thing about the site is that although there are only 86 members almost all of them have put bucks down on the 14. Everyone on the site is "very pasonate" about the ZX-14 and it is refereshing.
I also enjoy this site. Between the two I'm in ZX-14 heaven (or as close as you can get without a bike) 
I can understand you questioning his claim of being "the number 1 zx-14 site" but you are way out of line with your personal attacks and name calling.
Geese, grow up. If you don't like the site don,t go there. America, remember?
Varooom
BTW: The troll thing must work. I haven't seen any of you "constant bashers" there, (you know who you are) nobody bitching about some other site. Just ZX-14 stuff. Its really kind of nice, $15.00 well spent.
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