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posted October 19, 2005 01:18 PM
 Edited By: trenace on 19 Oct 2005 16:11
MCN: ZZR-1400 (ZX-14) to exceed 200 crank hp
According to MCN, the ZZR-1400's state of tune is being uprated to exceed 200 hp at the crank, this on account of wishing to make sure it is not behind the newest top-of-the line MV Agusta F4SBK which has been claimed to have a target of 200 crank hp.
The President of Kawasaki has personally weighed in on the issue with a quote that the ZZR-1400 will set new standards. So it's probably fair to say heads would roll if it failed to do so.
So that's good.
200 crank hp would be an increase of 22 crank hp over that claimed for the ZX-12R. That would translate to about 18 or 19 more rear wheel hp. Not a bad improvement; and if the state of tune exceeds 200 crank hp it could be even a little more improvement than that.
  
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posted October 19, 2005 01:53 PM
got a link to that article? I want torQue, I give a damn about hp. I want to put my big ass in motion.
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posted October 19, 2005 02:39 PM
Unfortunately it's only available in PDF and only with subscription. There really was nothing to the article beyond posted above.
It is true, I think, that pushing the hp higher than for the previously-reported crank hp (which was what, 190 or something?) will inevitably reduce the low-end.
The low end they were reporting at the more modest state of tune was pretty awesome -- as one magazine put it, the claimed torque at 2000 rpm equaled an R1's PEAK torque.
I guess that will get reduced somewhat now.
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posted October 19, 2005 08:41 PM
the silver book says the zx12r y2k has pretty close to 200 hp
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posted October 19, 2005 09:00 PM
Edited By: trenace on 19 Oct 2005 22:08
The 178 figure was from MCN. I guessed they were quoting some official figure from Kawasaki.
It's true it at first seems an oddly low number, because on the 85% principle (not that that is written in gold) one would expect only 151 bullshit Dynojet rear wheel hp from 178 true crank hp. And certainly Dynojets often give more than 151 for stock ZX-12R's.
On the other hand, if 88%, that would be 157 bullshit Dynojet hp or if 90%, 160 bsdjhp, so maybe 178 true hp at the crank is about right, depending on whether 10%, 12%, or 15% should be the figure for drivertrain losses and the "Dynojet factor."
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posted October 20, 2005 01:20 AM
More or equal to R1's peak torque at 2000 Rpm? R1's are fairly torquey, like 80 foot lbs or so. NO way will the 14 make 80 ftlbs at 2k revs.
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posted October 20, 2005 05:09 AM
"NO way will the 14 make 80 ftlbs at 2k revs."
352 cc advantage over the R1 with smaller throttle bodies/ fuel injection as in geared for lots of bottom and midrange thrust can make that possible or at least very close....just a guestimate for now right?....
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posted October 20, 2005 07:24 AM
quote:
got a link to that article? I want torQue, I give a damn about hp. I want to put my big ass in motion.
This is the link trenance probably meant ... http://www.mcnews.com.au/NewBikeCatalogue/2006/kawasaki/road/zzr1400/intro_a.htm
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posted October 20, 2005 09:28 AM
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According to MCN, the ZZR-1400's state of tune is being uprated to exceed 200 hp at the crank, this on account of wishing to make sure it is not behind the newest top-of-the line MV Agusta F4SBK which has been claimed to have a target of 200 crank hp.
Yeah, but I can't see the MV Agusta weighing within 50 pounds or so of the 14.
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posted October 20, 2005 09:57 AM
quote:
"NO way will the 14 make 80 ftlbs at 2k revs."
352 cc advantage over the R1 with smaller throttle bodies/ fuel injection as in geared for lots of bottom and midrange thrust can make that possible or at least very close....just a guestimate for now right?....
LET THE BUSA KILLER DO IT;S JOB.......THE WAIT IS ALMOST OVER..YEAH!!! lead,,follow or get out of it's way,,,,
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I dont see 80 ftlbs at 2000 revs. 4K sure, My 1270 makes 75 at around 4500 or so..
But 80 lbs of torque at 2000?? I dont think so.....
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posted October 20, 2005 01:24 PM
The figure cited was 68 ft lb... I did not stop to check whether that is the R1's peak torque or not. If it is that would certainly be a rear wheel value whereas the 68 ft lb figure for the ZX-14 would have been crank, so it would have been a flawed comparison but I didn't stop and think about crank vs rear wheel, which I should have. A case of too quickly passing along information read somewhere without analyzing it sufficiently as I usually try to do but failed in this instance.
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posted October 20, 2005 01:25 PM
Edited By: trenace on 20 Oct 2005 14:26
quote:
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got a link to that article? I want torQue, I give a damn about hp. I want to put my big ass in motion.
This is the link trenance probably meant ... http://www.mcnews.com.au/NewBikeCatalogue/2006/kawasaki/road/zzr1400/intro_a.htm
No, I meant the MCN in the UK, which can't be read except with subscription unfortunately.
The Australian mag doesn't have this update of the decision to uprate the state of tune.
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posted October 21, 2005 05:20 AM
Edited By: psycho1122 on 21 Oct 2005 06:21
ZXLNT; FYI, my 1270 makes 80 ft. lbs by 3,300 rpm.
The figure of 68 ft. lbs at 2000 may not be a stretch!
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posted October 21, 2005 07:31 AM
I printed out a 16 page thing off another site that says "at 2,000 rpm, there is 10 kgfm of torque available". This comes directly from Kawasaki in there 2006 Model Information booklet.
What in the heck is kgfms.
Any ideas???
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posted October 21, 2005 09:23 AM
10kgfm = 72lbft i believe
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posted October 21, 2005 09:29 AM
I guess having that @ 2k is good but what is max?
Anyone care to hazard a guess?
Gotta be close to a hunnert ft/lb - right?
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posted October 21, 2005 10:18 AM
If my 1270 has 111.7 at 7,600 rpm. The 14 should put up at least 115 or so.
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posted October 21, 2005 11:48 AM
I'd guess 100-110.
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posted October 21, 2005 12:17 PM
Never heard of a kgfm but a kg meter is, as a torque value, equal to 7.232 ft lb.
It's possible that the f in kgf would refer to kilogram force, as kilogram mass and kilogram force aren't identical concepts.
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posted October 21, 2005 06:51 PM
Edited By: trenace on 21 Oct 2005 19:52
Over at ZRXOA, Kawwikid posted that in Daytona, Kawasaki provided hp and torque figures, I would think not necessarily of the final state of tune, but as of that moment or as of whenever they prepared the display anyway.
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You can bash the ZX14 on its looks, but I got to sit on it over at Daytona and its got a good feel. And it hides its weight well. And theres the really cool part to consider. The guys at the Kawasaki Tent had the HP states on the bike there, and check this out, 205hp at the crank, 185 to 189 (depending on the dyno) at the wheel....105ftlb of torque...
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posted October 21, 2005 09:34 PM
that Gentlemen...means nothing. My cousins-friend...see where I'm going with this. I'm not doubting that someone may have been a little overzealous about the Kawasaki secrets, but really. Until we get hard #'s, you can say this thing has 200hp to the pavement @ idle.
My question to you guys that have been doing 2 wheelers a hell of a lot longer than me is...
Will it shut up the stupid bastards that are forever saying the busa is blah, blah, blah
AND, with those #'s, will it sell?
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posted October 21, 2005 10:53 PM
It probably for a year until Suzuki Counters and yeah it will sell..
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posted October 21, 2005 10:58 PM
Edited By: trenace on 22 Oct 2005 00:10
L2M, if you're suggesting the guy is lying about what Kawasaki was saying in Daytona, I'm sure others were at Daytona... was the guy lying?
As for being "secrets," Kawasaki has put out similar figures in the magazines. I don't think it's a question of secrets at all. There's a range of hp that the ZZR-1400 (or ZX-14) can be tuned to, and it's going to be somewhere in that range, with apparently some recent decision to have it at the upper end of that range instead of the lower, more torquey end.
No reason to call that "my cousin's friend" that I can figure. If you'd rather not figure that Kawwikid was probably truthful about what he saw at the Kawasaki booth in Daytona, then you might prefer instead the MCN article I recently posted the upshot of, which was pretty much the same thing ("over 200 crank hp" and "205 crank hp" are pretty much the same.)
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posted October 22, 2005 12:14 AM
Edited By: ZZR1400 on 22 Oct 2005 01:14
Accoording to german magazine Motorrad it will have 192bhp. What the heck if they are a couple of bhp inaccurate ... if the top-speed is limited to 300km/h, it will go as fast as 1100, 1200, etc. If it is not limited, one will probably never use other than the race-track.
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posted October 24, 2005 08:34 AM
Hell the Kawi rep at Seattle told Dino and I that the 10R had 182 rwhp!
Never believe a salesman.
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