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posted October 06, 2005 05:24 AM
Faster in the 1/4 mile than the Fastest 100 meter Dash Runner......
According to KHI, The 14 will be quicker in the Quarter Mile than the fastest human ever to run the 100 meter. Steroids or not!
Interesting!!
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posted October 06, 2005 06:01 AM
The record with roids is 9.79 by Ben [The Stallion] Johnson.Thats really not that impressive for the new 14.I was hoping in the 9.3-9.4 range
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posted October 06, 2005 06:02 AM
O f course it said faster, just not how much faster
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posted October 06, 2005 08:47 AM
Also depends on what sort of rider they mean.
The Brit mags were stunned by the idea of 9.7, as their riders are unable to get 12R's or Busa's below the mid-10's.
So if Kawasaki means that even a British Moto-Journalist can get 9.7 out of this bike, that's fast indeed.
Whereas if the meaning is Ricky Gadson could do so, well then the answer is "but of course, so what else is new."
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posted October 06, 2005 09:27 AM
The question is Can Gadson dip into the 8's? Only time will tell!!
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posted October 06, 2005 10:31 AM
The British mags are funny,they never get the times of the US mags which makes you wonder if the us mags are fudging a bit and almost all of the British mags have the 12 out performing the Busa in every catagory and like it much more than the busa and its the complete opposite over here.
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posted October 06, 2005 11:42 AM
 Edited By: trenace on 6 Oct 2005 12:48
I have a suspicion the British mags have a procedure of using the clutch on all shifts in the 1/4 mile, and also quite possibly just have never cared to develop the skill to launch quickly.
They've never said they use the clutch on all shifts but the times and trap speeds raise that possibility anyway.
The Brit magazines seem to have a lot of focus on the writers being ex roadracers. And roadracers often aren't known for their brilliant starts. I don't think (but could be wrong) that there's anywhere near as much interest in drag racing in the UK as in the US. The magazines certainly don't ever seem to go out of their way to get a "gun" experienced in drag racing to run these tests.
In contrast, the US magazines often hire such guns, and even the writers who are not such, still feel compelled to have similar times. So they most likely work hard at it. The British mags, in contrast, I take have the feeling that the quarter mile times they get are the quarter mile times they get, and if some hot drag racer can do better than bully for him, but they're not going to worry about it.
However, my feeling is the more skilled the rider, paradoxically the less difference will be attributable to the rider. Two top riders on different machines with different times, it's a good bet that the machines were the difference.
Two not-that-great riders, in terms of drag racing, and two different times on two different machines, you don't know what the hell to think.. it could have been skill differences between the riders, it could have been the machines, or it could be that an unskilled rider can't get much out of one machine but can the other, whereas a skilled rider can be equally fast on either. You just don't know.
So I give more weight to the US magazines 1/4 mile times as being most likely better indicators of relative performance of the machines. I could be wrong.
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posted October 06, 2005 02:46 PM
Brits suck as dragracers....
The idea of using Gadson or Schnitz is great because those guys are consistent as hell.
Putting Ryan on the bike for the mags seems unfair though..... he's a good 1/2 second faster than even the to 10% of riders...
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posted October 07, 2005 06:44 AM
quote:
The question is Can Gadson dip into the 8's? Only time will tell!!
If this is the machine that Kawasaki is hyping it up to be it should.
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posted October 07, 2005 09:59 AM
the real question is who cares
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posted February 17, 2006 07:01 AM
Looks to be true to me!
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posted February 17, 2006 08:28 AM
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The question is Can Gadson dip into the 8's? Only time will tell!!
Looks like we have our answer
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posted February 17, 2006 05:17 PM
Do you think the American magazines might be receiving some cash to sell some bikes?
quote]The British mags are funny,they never get the times of the US mags which makes you wonder if the us mags are fudging a bit and almost all of the British mags have the 12 out performing the Busa in every catagory and like it much more than the busa and its the complete opposite over here.
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posted February 18, 2006 07:04 PM
Anything can effect quarter mile times. Dragracing has so many variables it's almost unfair to say.."this bike runs such and such and this bike over here runs such and such". I have been dragracing for 16 years now and i see guys mad because they can't ride their bikes as fast as big dollar professional riders can. Weight plays a factor,skill,elevation,wind,track,sun,traction..everthing. I'm never going to be a fast rider cause i'm 215 pounds. I like the 14 because it has the one thing that can even the playing field for larger riders ...torque. It can get you into trouble and out of it. Maybe a rider of the same skill as Gadson will go faster because he can put more weight over the front...who knows..who cares. It's like comparing apples to apples, the differences are to small to argue about. I just like it just because it's not another Busa.
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posted February 20, 2006 02:35 PM
Yeah, but still, never getting a Busa or 12R below about 10.5 seconds indicates the rider being more of a limiting factor than the bike.
The US magazine times are in fact inflated-fast: they generally don't report the actual time but a "corrected" time, and they must be "correcting" to really favorable atmospheric and strip conditions. Plus, they tend to use riders of exceptional skill for their quarter mile tests -- including using guns hired just for that purpose.
However, once realizing that the average amateur is going to most of the time be not as quick due to comparing "uncorrected" times vs "corrected" (and most of the time running under conditions the magazines would subtract time for because of the air and/or track) and not being at quite the same level, still if you want to accurately know what the machines can do as well as accurately compare them with each other, you're not going to get that info from magazines where rider skill level is costing nearly a full second. When the rider's "contribution" (negative) is that much, then slight variation of how much the rider fucks it up becomes likely bigger than the difference between the bikes.
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posted February 20, 2006 04:39 PM
Then why post numbers? I know people will buy these bikes on #'s alone..but if your so anal that you won't buy the bike because it's a tenth of a second slower or faster than another bike..why even worry. "I'm strictly talking about dragracing...i'll leave all the curves to the more skilled riders." I'm buying this bike strickly on the fact i'm dragracing it. Of course i want the most bang for the buck but, i'm not going to stress acouple HP. Most of the time a average rider will never see the performance limitations of there bike. I don't think the average person who buys this bike will intend to putt around waving at children and helping old lady with there grocerys. I'm going to run the dog crap out of mine the second i get it and show it no remorse...to me..that's what they built this bike for.
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posted February 20, 2006 06:46 PM
Edited By: trenace on 20 Feb 2006 18:49
All I'm saying is, don't take the British numbers where you think the bikes are no faster than they say. They're tons faster -- except where the rider is similarly severely limiting.
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posted February 22, 2006 10:47 AM
i agree........the british can't ride.
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