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posted March 16, 2007 12:09 PM
sure... why not call the lead "group" the top 10 then? Or the top 20?  ... last time I checked there ain't no prize for 4th...
gimmee a break and stop trying to spin it.. admit it.. you're wrong.
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posted March 16, 2007 12:13 PM
There certainly aint no prize for dnf either! but if kawasaki had been leading and then broke, letting Honda win would ya have been having this thread???? Remember....the winner IS the winner..........even if the rest dnf.
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posted March 16, 2007 12:15 PM
and as I remember the top 6 were as close as **** most of the way, but of course ol' rappy was just lucky I guess and waited around long enuf for the others to break....
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posted March 16, 2007 12:55 PM
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Rapp STAYED in the lead pack ALL of the race ,so how can you take ANYTHING from him ?
I totally agree... I'm just focusing on this single (and incorrect) statement made by Zammy (above)... clearly the race order posted by PK shows that Zammy's statement is false.
dat's all!
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posted March 16, 2007 02:48 PM
LET THIS FUKKEN DEAD HORSE DIE!!!!!!!
Sheesh, i'd rather see a debate on Busa vs 12, or which oil is best...
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posted March 16, 2007 03:17 PM
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LET THIS FUKKEN DEAD HORSE DIE!!!!!!!
Sheesh, i'd rather see a debate on Busa vs 12, or which oil is best...
C'mon whats wrong with race chat, there hasn't been another one to debate. And whats the point of a 'busa and ZX12 debate when the ZX14 has check-mated 'em both!?
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posted March 16, 2007 03:38 PM
ya! finally some good bench racing! come on!
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posted March 16, 2007 03:41 PM
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Rapp STAYED in the lead pack ALL of the race ,so how can you take ANYTHING from him ?
I totally agree... I'm just focusing on this single (and incorrect) statement made by Zammy (above)... clearly the race order posted by PK shows that Zammy's statement is false.
dat's all!
PK didn't post the lead pack just the front three. My definition of a pack must be different from yours. A pack has no finite number however if there are six in a pack ....why am I explaining this to an adult?? Anyway ,My statment was not false . I'd say I'm wrong if I actually was. Jheeze fish get a date , your ego needs strokin' big time.
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posted March 16, 2007 04:02 PM
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actually she posted the top 4 for every lap... but since you can't read that explains most of your problems
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posted March 16, 2007 04:05 PM
again... she posted the top FOUR... since you can't read I'll help you by pasting this in over and over until you learn how to read...
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Lap 7 - 15,1,34,157
Lap 8 - 17,15,1, 34
Lap 9 - 17,15,1, 34
Lap 10 - 1, 17,15,34
Lap 11 - 1,34,17,15
Lap 12 - 1,34,17,15
Lap 13 - 1,34,17,15
Lap 14 - 1,17,34,15
Lap 15 - 1,34,17,15
Lap 16 - 1,15,17, 34
Lap 17 - 17, 15, 1,34
lap 18 - 17,1,15,34
Lap 19 - 1, 15,17, 157
Lap 20 - 15, 1, 17, 157
Lap 21 - 157, 34, 40, 12 **Honda's 17 Duhamel and 98 Zemke suffer technical difficulties
Lap 22 Honda's 96 Aaron Gobert pulled over to the side of the track.
1 - Josh Hayes, Honda
15 - Steve Rapp, Kawasaki
17 - Miguel Duhamel, Honda
40 - Jason Disalvo, Yamaha
157 - Chaz Davies, Yamaha
34 - Michael F. Barnes, Suzuki
12 - Ben Attard, Kawasaki
# 12 Ben Attard of Attack Kawasaki did not pull into pit until lap 25 and his second in lap 48
#1 Josh Hayes, Honda had a second pit on lap 38 and a third in lap 54
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posted March 16, 2007 04:32 PM
Is that ALL that was in the lead PACK ??? four ? Okay you have the last word .I now know how fragile your ego really is so I'll leave you with it . Thank you for the reading lesson . Oh ,and don't forget that date, being with a woman can be very uplifting .
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posted March 16, 2007 04:41 PM
dude.... again.. you continue to avoid admitting you're wrong.. the "lead pack" is the top 3.. PK went so far as to include the topf FOUR, which you continue to deny, even though it is posted to the site for everyone to see...
again.. there aint no prize for 4th, my friend...
admit it.. you made a mistake... is it really that hard? 
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posted March 16, 2007 06:40 PM
fish...............the lead pack is the pack of riders that has broken away from the rest of the field. A "pack" can be ANY number of bikes..................
PK's list clearly shows Steve to be with the lead group which you could throw a blanket over by the way..............and that running order was ONLY at the finish line.
Those top 5 and sometimes 6 bikes were drafting and passing each other back and forth several times per lap.
Even if the Honda's would not have had mechanical problems.............it would have been a competitive race right to the last lap............no one was running away from everyone else. 
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posted March 16, 2007 06:57 PM
even by your own definition, Zammy is still incorrect as in lap 21 clearly Rapp was not in the lead "pack" or even the top 4...
Zammy stated that
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Rapp STAYED in the lead pack ALL of the race
Obviously this is not the case.
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posted March 16, 2007 08:04 PM
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Is that ALL that was in the lead PACK ??? four ? Okay you have the last word .I now know how fragile your ego really is so I'll leave you with it . Thank you for the reading lesson . Oh ,and don't forget that date, being with a woman can be very uplifting .
speaking of ego, you can't admit when you're wrong or what!?
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posted March 16, 2007 09:48 PM
I don't think that either one is actually 'right or wrong'... the point he was making doesn't rely on RAPP competing for 1st the WHOLE RACE. I believe what his point actually was, was that RAPP was not 'out' of the race. He was within striking distance at any given time. But Fish is not incorrect because technically RAPP did fall out of the 'pack' at times. Fish... to be honest... his point is true if you look at it that RAPP wasn't half a lap down.... he was in the race with the leaders. Mladin and DuHamel over the years had bad starts and made their way to the front after many laps... and many times DuHamel would sit back while the others wore out their times in order to pass them in the end, you don't have to be in 1,2,3, until the end of the race.. Was it stradegy by RAPP?? We don't know... but he did save his bike enough to finish in the 1st place postion that most people consider.. 'winning the race'... Regardless... to continue with the beating a dead horse theme... Honda broke a leg and had to be shot... It is over until the next race. I expect Honda to fix the problem and compete in the next race.
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posted March 16, 2007 09:51 PM
no... that's simply not the case... I was there and PK kept notes on the race order and who was in the top four... I'm not disagreeing with you, but I am disagreeing with Zammy... clearly his statement is false. Rapp was NOT in the lead, or the lead pack for every lap of the race... that didnt happen.
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posted March 16, 2007 10:53 PM
Edited By: stevewfl on 16 Mar 2007 23:53
Zammy, are you with us? Are you drug-free? Are you finding it difficult to figure out who won and who lost? Did your mother explain to you that 2nd place is the 1st loser, wtf are you debating?
I realize Honda performed so poorly you want to 
But lets stick to the facts here
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posted March 17, 2007 05:01 AM
to quote ricky bobby, ther's just one winner, the rest are LOSERS
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posted March 17, 2007 06:22 AM
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Zammy, are you with us? Are you drug-free? Are you finding it difficult to figure out who won and who lost? Did your mother explain to you that 2nd place is the 1st loser, wtf are you debating?
I realize Honda performed so poorly you want to
But lets stick to the facts here
Frankly I don't really know why I'm in this . If Fish is only going after what I said because Rapp dropped out of the lead "pack" ,for what ever reason, for a lap or two or even three then he is correct and I am wrong about the wording I used. Is that what you needed Fish ? Thanx to every one else who tried to explain what I said or meant to say or what ever . We ALL who won and how. I'll learn to keep my mouth shut on this forum and enjoy conversing on the others.
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posted March 17, 2007 07:44 AM
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I'll learn to keep my mouth shut on this forum and enjoy conversing on the others.
Wow... ultra sensitive, eh ?
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posted March 17, 2007 12:23 PM
good god......are we aiming for page three here???lol
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posted March 17, 2007 01:17 PM
one can only hope!
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posted March 17, 2007 01:46 PM
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good god......are we aiming for page three here???lol
who's counting, enter your 2 cents worth and lets see 
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posted March 18, 2007 01:50 AM
oooooooooooo no no no I've posted my comments on the sub, I think I could have stayed in the lead group on me grid iron, even if the lead group had a honda in it, as it didnt and only had crappy Rappy who didnt win at all I woulda knocked em all into a cocked hat...LOL..(not that I'm trying to stir any trouble at all)......hehehe
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