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posted February 01, 2007 01:19 PM
Harley locks out workers, halts production
Officials at Harley-Davidson's Springettsbury Township plant today locked out workers who voted Wednesday to strike after their contract expires at midnight.
It was not immediately known exactly when Harley officials locked the doors, but employees who arrived for work at 7 a.m. and afterward today could not get in to the facility.
The company still is expected to pay workers for the day.
"My wife and I get up to go to work this morning, go to the parking lot, and everybody was standing there," said Joel Toner, a motorcycle test technician at the plant. "We're coming to work, and they more or less told us that we can't come to work."
Milwaukee-based Harley issued a statement this morning, saying it suspended production of Touring and Softail motorcycles at the York County plant "as a result of the pending strike."
Ninety-eight percent of 2,722 workers Wednesday voted to strike after rejecting Harley's proposed contract.
Workers are scheduled to begin picketing at 12:01 a.m. Friday in three-hour shifts at the facility on Eden Road as well as at a company warehouse on North George Street in East Manchester Township.
Source: Daily Record/Sunday News
Link: http://www.ydr.com/newsfull/ci_5133882
   
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posted February 01, 2007 01:47 PM
GOOD!!!!!!!!! I HOPE it's the end for that JUNK!!!!!!!!!!! It won't be but it never hurts to have dreams.
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posted February 01, 2007 01:49 PM
Another company is victim to American labor. Hopefully Harley will outsource soon. Bikes will be cheaper and the company can prosper.
If they don't - they can continue to face struggles such as the unionized American auto makers.
DIE unions!
Globalization...and some companies just want to live in the past.
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posted February 01, 2007 02:09 PM
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yab.... here goes UNION for you again. 
i wonder how much union will pay those poor people if they go on strike? 5 dollars a day!!!!
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posted February 01, 2007 02:35 PM
I am no Harley fan by any stretch of the imagination, but that was the right thing to do. The need for unions today is a joke. People who strike should not be allowed to come back to work. Unions are a blight on our society.
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posted February 01, 2007 03:01 PM
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I am no Harley fan by any stretch of the imagination, but that was the right thing to do. The need for unions today is a joke. People who strike should not be allowed to come back to work. Unions are a blight on our society.
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posted February 01, 2007 03:12 PM
Are you guys fucking kidding me?....You can thank unions for a 5 day workweek...two days off...EVERY week?...what a concept, brought to you by unions. I know weve all seen five guys making OT standing by the road while some other guy is working. But the fact of the matter is union personnel are more highly trained in thier positions and in the area of safety. When was the last time a boiler explosion was on the front page in ANY union town?.This type of accident was not uncommon in the late 1800s and early 1900...but union training in conjuction with certification by city and state agencys have nearly eliminated it. ...you guys are not seeing the big picture...Unions keep our roadways safer....our buildings safer...training is the key.
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posted February 01, 2007 04:11 PM
Sorry but one doesn't need to be in a union to get training. What is a 5 day work week?  The union people are grossly overpaid for what they do, for the most part. Of course there are exceptions. Like those guys standing along side the road leaning on their shovels making 20 an hour.
How many busnesses have gone under because of unions, when they needn't have? How about those union guys that have to stand and watch while others do the work?
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posted February 01, 2007 04:50 PM
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Are you guys fucking kidding me?....You can thank unions for a 5 day workweek...two days off...EVERY week?...what a concept, brought to you by unions. I know weve all seen five guys making OT standing by the road while some other guy is working. But the fact of the matter is union personnel are more highly trained in thier positions and in the area of safety. When was the last time a boiler explosion was on the front page in ANY union town?.This type of accident was not uncommon in the late 1800s and early 1900...but union training in conjuction with certification by city and state agencys have nearly eliminated it. ...you guys are not seeing the big picture...Unions keep our roadways safer....our buildings safer...training is the key.
Unions sure don't do shit like they used to if that is true.
When is the last time you attended a union sponsored safety meeting? I doubt you have. Safety and training is all provided by the employer - mostly OVERDONE due to sue happy Union workers.
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posted February 01, 2007 05:39 PM
bullshit nabrxsxxxx.... I'm a union member (not by choice)... they've sold us down the creek year in and year out... they're a waste of time and do nothing but collect dues.... nothing. A 5 day work week? I wish... if they had their way I'd be slaving 7 days a week 24 hours a day and some shitty reduced rate that would net them more union dues. And that's a FACT.
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posted February 01, 2007 07:25 PM
Without the union you would get paid less,work more,and have less job security. My local just signed a 4 yr contract...only 3% a year BUT we still dont pay for health coverage, one of the last locals in the US to still get that perk. If youre in a union...the higher tech skills you have ...the more juice you have. Ive worked union and non-union jobs.I much prefer to work in a union shop. If I ever take the step into management...Id much rather supervise union guys than than non union....But if you are a Union ticket taker in a movie theater and your getting fucked...go to school.
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posted February 01, 2007 07:55 PM
no... you're wrong... I would NOT get paid less and work more... utter and total BS (at least in my industry)
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posted February 01, 2007 08:32 PM
Unions were outdated 40 years ago. There is no need for them. In a competitive market good workers are hard to find. The good ones stay and usually end up making more than union wage, In a union, even if a worker is not worth a shit, he gets raises just like someone who works hard. So why work hard? Does anyone honestly think that anything we buy would cost 2/3rds as much if it wasn't for unions? Because we all have to pay extra because of the excess fat and corruption.
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posted February 01, 2007 08:45 PM
my job is worth "X" amount of dollars, union or not... makes no difference.. only thing is having to pay "the vig" ... drives me nuts, it does! 
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posted February 01, 2007 09:03 PM
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Are you guys fucking kidding me?....You can thank unions for a 5 day workweek...two days off...EVERY week?...what a concept, brought to you by unions. I know weve all seen five guys making OT standing by the road while some other guy is working. But the fact of the matter is union personnel are more highly trained in thier positions and in the area of safety. When was the last time a boiler explosion was on the front page in ANY union town?.This type of accident was not uncommon in the late 1800s and early 1900...but union training in conjuction with certification by city and state agencys have nearly eliminated it. ...you guys are not seeing the big picture...Unions keep our roadways safer....our buildings safer...training is the key.
Thats why we MUST move our blue collar labor OVERSEAS. We have seen the proof, our economy thrives due to cheap labor and more consumer buying power. Unemployment in America is at an all time low today.
The ONLY industries suffering and holding America back today are the UNIONIZED industries. They will be gone soon though.
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posted February 01, 2007 09:08 PM
Die UNIONS Die, our American companies can't stand you.
Harley did the best thing ever.  Faced with hanging around for unions to suck the blood and profits until bankruptcy such as the auto companies is crazy.
Harley make this CLEAR to the union scum: 
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posted February 02, 2007 06:30 AM
Like it or not, we are not going anywhere in the cities. Maybe the folks screwing widjits into wodgets will get outsourced...but those of us providing a safe comfortable environment for business are not going anywhere...and those of us with more talent DO get more than scale. Just curious fish...what biz are you in?...are you a writer?....anyway Ill never get through to a bunch of managers...where are all the union guys?...later
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posted February 02, 2007 06:33 AM
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...where are all the union guys?...later
They are victimizing Harley right now. Wait, Harley told them to PHOOK OFF, perhaps they are fishing as Harley finds somewhere with better labor rates and non-unionized employees.
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posted February 02, 2007 09:16 AM
If harley can do that...fine. Union workers are ALLOWED to strike. Employers are ALLOWED to lock them out. If harley can do better..fine. All the employees there are betting that they cant....pretty high stakes if you think about it. Before anyone strikes they have to weigh how replaceable they are, the more easily you can be replaced...the less intelligent it is to strike. Most of the people putting up with bullshit are lowskilled folks who are easil replaced. Here in new york , in the past year I believe at least 3 buildings have collapsed killing and injuring workers....all non-union jobs. How much is a guys leg worth? or a carpenters arm worth?...You union haters think not much...some of us think otherwise Im sure...Im bringing this topic to the front page to see.
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posted February 02, 2007 09:41 AM
oh come on now ... you're trying to draw a parallel between a construction accident and union labour involvement? gimmee a break
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posted February 02, 2007 10:59 AM
I'm glad Harley is not putting up with this BS. I saw what the employees were offered on another board and it wasn't a bad package at all. The employee's are just getting greedy. Maybe a week or two off with no pay will make them come to their senses. OH yeah, Fuck unions! They had their day and place, but no more.
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posted February 02, 2007 11:16 AM
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You guys that say fuck unions obviously never worked in big industry...No offense but how about coming out from under your shell and take a look as to whats going on in the real world, instead of yours!!!...Sorry but that is the only way of putting it !!!...DO NOT TAKE OFFENSE TO WHAT I SAID...
As I said in the other post, The unions keep it all balanced...Unions are good for both the employee and employer!!!...Except when there is an example to be made!!!...Even that situation sucks because there is no winner, both lose $$$
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posted February 02, 2007 03:40 PM
I have no idea about PA. unemployment laws, but if they are the same as WA. unemployment laws, LOCKED OUT workers are entitled to all unemployment benefits, the same as if they were laid off.
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posted February 02, 2007 03:47 PM
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You guys that say fuck unions obviously never worked in big industry...No offense but how about coming out from under your shell and take a look as to whats going on in the real world, instead of yours!!!...Sorry but that is the only way of putting it !!!...DO NOT TAKE OFFENSE TO WHAT I SAID...
As I said in the other post, The unions keep it all balanced...Unions are good for both the employee and employer!!!...Except when there is an example to be made!!!...Even that situation sucks because there is no winner, both lose $$$
bullshit... I work in a "big industry" for a Union and I happen to agree with the "non union" folk. I'm givin' 'im money fo nuthin.
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posted February 02, 2007 07:32 PM
I didnt mean to compare construction accidents to a labor action...I was just pointing out that unions give as much or more as they take. A labor dispute will always settle itself out more or less "fairly"..if labor is asking to much..they get locked out and can be replaced ..if not, they get what they wanted....Unless you belong to something like the Actors union.....where your TALENT, not just skill is responsible for your success...I think the unions are a win/win.
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