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posted January 15, 2007 04:44 PM
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is there some way for you to tell your story without risking it all? or do you just plea tommorrow, they let the guys with lawyers go first, ask for you or hopefully your lawyer to approach the bench and explain
As posted above the Lawyer is going to talk to the DA before the hearing and also to try tell the Judge the story....It may work to some Degree But no way is he going to hear the case or try the case on the spot ...To go any more would mean a not gilty plea and a trail date ...
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posted January 15, 2007 04:57 PM
not guilty, does the lawyer charge more to go to trial
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posted January 15, 2007 05:53 PM
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not guilty, does the lawyer charge more to go to trial
Yup a 1000 more on top of the 300 already paid...
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posted January 15, 2007 06:03 PM
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so what would you be pleading guilty to ?
Roy
Wreckless driving.... I'm not pleading guilty . My plea would be no contest...
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posted January 15, 2007 06:19 PM
1000 is not that much more, you will get off if your buddy shows up not drunk, and lawyer is ok
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posted January 15, 2007 07:04 PM
 Edited By: smokinZX14 on 15 Jan 2007 19:05
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1000 is not that much more, you will get off if your buddy shows up not drunk, and lawyer is ok
Thanks and it's easy for someone to say that if your ass is not on the line like mine ..If it goes to trial as a Felony charge(Racing on the Hiway) .... 1000 lawyer fees 2000 fines, Probation 2 years and No DL for two years ....No way is the Judge going to hear me or my witness, all he will hear is yuk yuk yuk yuk and the officer takes the stand an lies and i get the shaft....
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posted January 16, 2007 04:19 PM
big.... in case you didnt notice... most judicial systems work against the innocent. It really makes you evaluate the way you live your life everyday with everything you do.
If I were smokin'.... Id buy a few helmet cameras, a good camera to hook too, a secure box to lock the video recorder in and ride in front of that same cop observing all the local traffic laws. Continue to stalk him and let him keep pulling you over for nonsense. Then take the tapes to the internal affairs division and show them harassment.
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is there some way for you to tell your story without risking it all? or do you just plea tommorrow, they let the guys with lawyers go first, ask for you or hopefully your lawyer to approach the bench and explain
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posted January 16, 2007 05:13 PM
Edited By: smokinZX14 on 16 Jan 2007 17:15
Update i'm back for Court .......500 dollar fine ......no points ..... 6 month work only DL....6 month probation but i only had to see the probation officer one time to pay him 75.00 ... In 3 months with no more tickets i can get released from the probation part....12 hours of driving school that i can do online at home ....
The ticket and my record will not show the probation or the 6 month work only DL.... My driving record will show a simple traffic infaction and not the Felony Racing on the Hiway..
The work only is not shown on my DL or any records, it just between me and the Judge...The Judge can revoke the plea deal and charge me with the Racing on the Hiway if i get another ticket in 6 months time .. ....If an police officer pulles me over the officer will not see the restriction.......
Last but not least i can drive my car anytime i please as long as it's for work or to the store, only thing i can't do is use it for pleasure. Good part is i can still go racing because it's part of my work.... Yep it sucks but it's better than the guy right before me got in Court , the Judge dropped a Brick on this guy > The poor guy also had a ticket for Racing on the Hiway but the Judge refused the plea deal from the ADA and sent him to Felony Court....!!!!!!!!! The Judge could have done the same to me , i feel he didn't because mine took place in a parking lot...There you have it , no more riding my bike on the street till all this goes away.......Smokin...
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posted January 16, 2007 05:22 PM
Glad it worked out for you. Still kinda sucks that you had to get anything at all.
maybe the other case had real witnesses or it wasn't his first offense :-)
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posted January 16, 2007 05:52 PM
Edited By: RyuNinja14 on 16 Jan 2007 17:53
And cops wonder why we run?? Thing is if i recall smokin's story right he was selling his bike and was doing the deal in a parkinglot. Guy he sold it to test rode it and after the sale then the cop shows up and does his bullshit. Any bikes i sell from now on i'll be videotaping the whole deal wether i let the buyer test ride the bike or not.
The only thing florida will be getting is a big drop in tourism or this law turned upside down. Eventually they'll pull this on some people with a fat enough wallet or who knows the right people and this won't work out as they originally planned.
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posted January 16, 2007 06:07 PM
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1000 is not that much more, you will get off if your buddy shows up not drunk, and lawyer is ok
Hey now I wouldn't do that to him. Damn they still nailed you pretty hard.  here's one at that prick cop and the system.
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posted January 16, 2007 06:33 PM
Wow Smokin what an ordeal, Glad for you it worked out Ok, sort of 
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posted January 16, 2007 06:40 PM
I think we should boycott bike week and biketoberfest, maybe even the daytona 500.
loosing money may change the laws..
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posted January 17, 2007 09:24 AM
You know, Florida is all screwed up. Hence why I will never EVER live there again. Why would you want to live in a place that's infested anyway with cops trying to run us out of town. And, I can't afford to practice my specialty down there as my malpractice premiums would be more than twice my income.
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posted January 17, 2007 01:17 PM
Some of what you are saying is true. The portion about dropping the case and the seizing fo the vehicles. This falls under the Attourney Generals area. He is responsible for the preceedings of the seizure. They have 10's from the notification of the seizure to get you before a judge to prove proable cause(PC). It doesn't take much for the judge to rule in their favor. After the hearing, you can try to wk a deal with them and virtually purchase your bike back. If there is a lean on the bike, by the bike goes back to the leanholder, if you choose not to fight it in court or settle with the state. This law is in conjuction with the Contraband Act (addition). How I know, I was arrested for flee. It was not me or my crew, however they arrested us, dropped the case, now I am dealing with this issue. No lawyer, just me.
Not many lawyers will take your fortiture hearing case for under. You can handle you own case. If you did it, and you want your bike back, make them an offer. If you didn't, hang on it will take a couple of years. This happened to me in 05 and we have yet to go to court. There is really no statue of limitation for civil trials, as long as they make an effort to proceed. In my case, the offer testified in the PC hearing, that all of the bikes looked dark, no tags, no video, no radio transmission(recorded). I am just waiting to go to cout. If you have an serious question, PM me and I will assist you with what I know!
for the record, if you didn't do it and your case was dismissed, not a plea deal, contact your Congressmen or Senator for assistance. Politics play a big part in this effort.
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posted January 17, 2007 03:47 PM
the reason they charge you with drag racing, is solely because they update the Contraband Act, which was put in place for drug dealers.
Now it's being used for any felony. It doesn't state that you must be found guilty for the crime, just charged and lose your PC hearing, the bike is there's for the duration until you win it back in court.
I feel the law makers have allow this to go too far, so if you want change, start calling your State Rep, Congressman/women, etc..... this happens because we non voters, won't speak out riders, don't care citizens. Many citizens don't even know what's going on.
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posted January 17, 2007 07:37 PM
I'm not trying to call you guys liars, but I don't think the whole truth is coming out in these threads. I've been riding my sport bike here in FL for three years now. I don't miss a Bike Week or Biketoberfest since I only live 30 miles from Daytona Beach. I know a lot of cops because they also ride and they can only confiscate your bike if you commit a felony like fleeing and eluding an officer. They have to call out the crime on their radios and this information is available to the public and your attorney can get these transcripts for your court appearance. I know how most of us ride and those of you who said that you didn't do anything are not being completely honest. How many wheelies did you pull in that parking lot? How the HELL could a cop say you were racing in a parking lot? An attorney just out of law school could have that charge dismissed easily because of the venue(a parking lot). If you are speeding and a cop lights you up, just pull over, it's only a speeding ticket. If you decide to drop a couple of gears and take off, well guess what that's fleeing and eluding and you've committed a felony. Lest I remind you guys of the guy on the Busa that ran from a trooper in a camaro and as a result the trooper crashed and died. Well I knew that trooper also and he was a hell of a guy, he was not a prick at all! That's why the laws were made harder for clowns like that guy. If he just stopped, the MOST he could have gotten at that time was a speeding ticket, and that's all! No confiscation of his bike and no jail time because it was just a traffic infraction. Now, however if you're doing 123 mph in a 70 mph zone, well that's reckless driving and that's a misdemeanor. I'm not saying that I don't ride fast because I do, but I don't run from the police and then call them assholes when they catch me. Ball up and take responsibility for your actions and stop blaming others because you haven't grown up yet! Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
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posted January 17, 2007 07:45 PM
Edited By: smokinZX14 on 17 Jan 2007 19:54
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I'm not trying to call you guys liars, but I don't think the whole truth is coming out in these threads. I've been riding my sport bike here in FL for three years now. I don't miss a Bike Week or Biketoberfest since I only live 30 miles from Daytona Beach. I know a lot of cops because they also ride and they can only confiscate your bike if you commit a felony like fleeing and eluding an officer. They have to call out the crime on their radios and this information is available to the public and your attorney can get these transcripts for your court appearance. I know how most of us ride and those of you who said that you didn't do anything are not being completely honest. How many wheelies did you pull in that parking lot? How the HELL could a cop say you were racing in a parking lot? An attorney just out of law school could have that charge dismissed easily because of the venue(a parking lot). If you are speeding and a cop lights you up, just pull over, it's only a speeding ticket. If you decide to drop a couple of gears and take off, well guess what that's fleeing and eluding and you've committed a felony. Lest I remind you guys of the guy on the Busa that ran from a trooper in a camaro and as a result the trooper crashed and died. Well I knew that trooper also and he was a hell of a guy, he was not a prick at all! That's why the laws were made harder for clowns like that guy. If he just stopped, the MOST he could have gotten at that time was a speeding ticket, and that's all! No confiscation of his bike and no jail time because it was just a traffic infraction. Now, however if you're doing 123 mph in a 70 mph zone, well that's reckless driving and that's a misdemeanor. I'm not saying that I don't ride fast because I do, but I don't run from the police and then call them assholes when they catch me. Ball up and take responsibility for your actions and stop blaming others because you haven't grown up yet! Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
Hey buddy GO FUCK YOURSELF.... One of my witness post on this site ( SteddyTeddy). Don't come in here and call me a fucking liar when you know nothing about me or Teddy ...I ride with a few guys on the site and they know me very well and they know the truth...Now get your 3 post noob ass out of my thread........
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posted January 17, 2007 07:48 PM
Believe what you want. I was there. The cop came after me first. He saw nothing and didn't show up until almost 2 min later after the bike was on the trailer and they were exchanging money and title. The cop saw nothing. He heard it from a distance because the bike was running an open meg. Lee ran it through 1st and 2nd, kind of hard, but thats it and it was straight on the trailer. Very worst case should have been a wreckless driving ticket. Very worst. The cop was crooked and the system down here just plain sucks. It's all about bringing in the money and very little about justice.
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posted January 17, 2007 07:57 PM
Edited By: smokinZX14 on 17 Jan 2007 19:58
Thank you Teddy ...One look at dw4402 profile tells the story ...He works for the Government ...
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posted January 17, 2007 10:12 PM
Edited By: smokinZX14 on 17 Jan 2007 22:19
I'd love to see someone ride a wheely on the street with this bike in question >> Not easy to hook a bike at 7 inches over on the street...... Hell it's hard to hook it at the track and get it to wheely ...  It does spin the tire nicely in 4 gears ....
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posted January 18, 2007 03:41 AM
First off the trooper that pursued the motorcyclist on I4 was putting more people in danger than the fleeing motorcyclist. Second, the fleeing cyclist wasnt on a Hayabusa.
Third.... that driver got 25yrs for that offense. Is that fair? The trooper selectively enforced the law and only pursued one of the two vehicles racing. Its a shame the trooper died. But nobody forced him to drive his camaro beyond his ability and continue pursuit in a heavy traffic situation. (Especially I-4!)
If the Troopers and local sheriffs were TRUELY interested in maintaining safe speeds in FL... they'd be setup on the same problematic roads on a daily basis. But this is not how it works. They are setup for generating revenue and nothing more. The whole safety claim is a giant ruse.
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...Lest I remind you guys of the guy on the Busa that ran from a trooper in a camaro and as a result the trooper crashed and died. Well I knew that trooper also and he was a hell of a guy, he was not a prick at all! That's why the laws were made harder for clowns like that guy. If he just stopped, the MOST he could have gotten at that time was a speeding ticket, and that's all! No confiscation of his bike and no jail time because it was just a traffic infraction. Now, however if you're doing 123 mph in a 70 mph zone, well that's reckless driving and that's a misdemeanor. I'm not saying that I don't ride fast because I do, but I don't run from the police and then call them assholes when they catch me. Ball up and take responsibility for your actions and stop blaming others because you haven't grown up yet! Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
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posted January 18, 2007 05:01 AM
I-4 is dangerous at any speed in any type of vehicle. To try and chase down a motorcycle on it is just plain assinine.
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posted January 18, 2007 06:19 AM
Edited By: Zammy on 18 Jan 2007 08:33
http://zrxoa.org/forums//showthread.php?s=&threadid=139352
Just so yas know ...MadKaw is dead . Glean from this what you may.
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posted January 18, 2007 06:19 AM
from the Florida Highway Patrol website
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The chase was not a "pursuit," as defined by the FHP, but rather an "overtaking," a procedure in which a trooper tries to catch up to a vehicle whose driver is not aware he is being followed, Knight said.
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A blue Audi was clipped by the trooper's Camaro as he veered off the road and the Audi came to rest several feet away from the squad car.
sounds like he did not have lights or siren on and hit another car.
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