posted November 13, 2003 02:14 PM
I never have laid eyes on one. HOWEVER, my salesman at the K shop rides a ZX6RR and he said the riding position seemed more relaxed to him and seemed more comfortable by far. For what it is worth.
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posted November 13, 2003 05:23 PM
... and on the flip side, DaveinDaytona sez that the 10R is narrower then the 6R and feels even more "compact". This is when is did a side by side (or seat by seat) comparison at the Daytona show. His about your height worm, but I think his weight and inseam are a tad different (less and more, respectively).
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posted November 14, 2003 08:33 AM
Can anybody out there confirm or deny this theory?
Kawasaki is spending so much money on MotoGP that they felt like they could not spend the money and time to develop the ZX-10R to race Superbike, whether it was WSB, BSB, AMA, etc. Hence in the USA, they are choosing to compete with the ZX10 in Superstock instead, which requires much less funding and development. One big problem with that is no Superbike, no Bostrom. Right or wrong? Extremelean, anybody?
If that is true, then it appears they are going to ignore a bike that has the potential to be a front runner in Superbike to pour more money into a bike that has the potential to run at the back of the pack in MotoGP. And lose 2 of the best riders that they had in their stable this year. Eric Bostrom and Gary McCoy. Some great decision making going on there.
I guess they think they would "lose face" if they pulled out of MotoGP right now. Don't pull out of MotoGP, just take a 1 year hiatus to divert resources to developing the potential of the ZX-10 for all racing classes. They could say they are transfering the MotoGP technology to the new standard bearer. Sometimes Kawasaki is so fricking stupid...... Is there is silver lining to this cloud?
posted November 14, 2003 10:14 AM
Not racing the "premire" class is a bad decision. You can't help but believe it's a sign of weakness. "They can't win, so they don't race" kinda thing. Just like in MotoGP, any professional rider is going to tell you that they want to make it to the top. In Europe, that's MotoGP (not 125 or 250, or WSB). In the USA, that's Superbike. Personally, I'm extremely disapointed to hear they won't be racing this class. It's just like when they dropped out of the GP's years ago. They were sorely missed and their customer base was bummed.... Superbike has the best riders, and the best bikes. Period. The other classes will be cool to watch, but they are support classes.
posted November 14, 2003 12:13 PM
I am sitting here trying to make sense of all this.....................but I am having a hard time of it...................wtf are they thinking.............?
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posted November 14, 2003 04:17 PM
If you care, boycott the 10R. Specifically, tell your dealer that you choose to buy products that are actually raced in their respective premier classes. Ie; 600 Supersport for the ZX6RR
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posted November 14, 2003 08:55 PM
That crossed my mind..... Can't go for the tiddler bike. May look closer at the R1 or CBR1000RR. As Warbird said; wtf.........
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posted November 15, 2003 08:02 AM
Kinda wish I did have the options of shopping around, boycotting or simply waiting another year... when it comes down to buying the 10R. I really don't though.
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posted November 15, 2003 11:02 AM
Edited By: k bryant on 15 Nov 2003 11:04
redelk - why don't you have an option? I've just kinda torn right now....
I want to buy what I feel is the best open class sportbike (japan). If they don't race Superbike, it seems to me they aren't confident in their package. Now if they race Superstock, it still might not show as the best package, because they don't/won't have their best rider racing it. Tommy or Roger Lee, or Tony aren't the best riders in that class. So I guess it just remains to be seen...
On the other hand, you could argue that the GSXR1000 is/was the best in class and may very well be in Superstock. The only real issue I have with this bike, is that it lacks a unique look for me. It looks just like the 600/750 at a glance. Personally, I like the unique look of the ZX12. People know at a glance that it's something nasty. When you open the throttle, it proves that point. I think the 10 has the same qualities.
Maybe none of this matters and I'll still purchase the 10. Our bike is late coming in from Kawasaki, by many weeks. So I'm trying hard to hold off on the final opinion. Emotions are simply being formed right now..... But back to the point, I'm way bummed they aren't racing Superbike.....
quote: I've just kinda torn right now....
I want to buy what I feel is the best open class sportbike (japan)
I bet you are.... it must be a bitter pill for you to swallow to be forced to by a (ack) Honda because of your professional "obligations" ... certainly you couldnt be talking about the Kawasaki?
Do you plan on giving Muzzys a run and jumping to green?
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posted November 15, 2003 01:06 PM
all posturing and machismo aside, i gotta admit i dont really care what the company is doing with their racing effort. chances are the stock series best race bike wont be the best bike for me, since it's probably much more on edge than i can make use of or even safely ride. and dont get me started on how unrelated superbike is to the bikes we ride. the top bike in highly modified form could be the biggest dog in stock trim. besides, i'm not buying a track bike. and even if i did, i'm not gonna be racing professionally so i dont really care if i have the fastest bike. i'll choose what i'm comfortable on (both in terms of ergo's and handling), what i like to look at, and what gives me a good kick performance wise. i may WANT more (ie. the championship winning bike), but since i'm not 16 anymore, enough of my decisions are made _above_ the waist that im gonna choose the better bike for ME.
posted November 15, 2003 01:23 PM
Excellent points for what pleezes you. Me, I want the fastest & best overall package available for performance. I don't care about the comfort issue. I want it to go around corners and leave major blackies at will doing it. Though I'm also not 16 anymore, my decisions are made from toes to nose. Mountain shredding & track day performance is what I want.
Fish - Though I get a major helping of grief from the Honda guys, it's still me writing the check. Until they deliver one to me n/c, I buy what I want (though sometimes the ripping can be pretty bad....).
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posted November 15, 2003 03:45 PM
KB, the reason I can't shop around is that I am "dealer loyal" and he doesn't sell Hondas, Suzukis or Yamahas... just Kawasakis, KTMs, Xtreme and UM scooters. I tried to find the post that explians in "typical redelk" detail on why I am so loyal to my dealer, but I couldn't right away. If I do, I'll e-mail it to you.
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posted November 15, 2003 04:59 PM
So, XL you can vouch for the Europeans not having released any units to anybody at this point~! That's way Strong. It was Euro Kawasaki who screwed up the 12R release! Who are you to say that they have definitely not released bikes? KMC USA isn't incharge of Europe are they? I thought KHI was still the controllers of the almighty Green World!
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posted November 13, 2003 02:14 PM
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... certainly you couldnt be talking about the Kawasaki? 
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