wormser77
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posted January 14, 2011 12:54 AM
Any documented failures
On the 2011 ZX10R?
I've heard a bunch of bullshit being slung but have not actually heard of a case other than he said she said stuff.
If so where and when? What happened? I'd love to hear about actuall cases. I'm sure if it was as bad as :some canadian: claimed a private owner would have written about it on the good ol net.....right?
Also was this bike assembled in thailand?
  
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Bigbore4
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posted January 14, 2011 07:29 AM
Considering that there are only about 10 bikes sold and most of those went back to the dealers. probly safe to assume that anything you've heard is bs.
What's the stigma about bikes being made in Thailand?
For those that dont know; Anything can be built anywhere. Quality control is what determines the final product, got F' all to do with where it's built.
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fish_antlers
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posted January 14, 2011 11:15 PM
 Edited By: fish_antlers on 15 Jan 2011 07:23
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On the 2011 ZX10R?
I've heard a bunch of bullshit being slung but have not actually heard of a case other than he said she said stuff.
If so where and when? What happened? I'd love to hear about actuall cases. I'm sure if it was as bad as :some canadian: claimed a private owner would have written about it on the good ol net.....right?
Also was this bike assembled in thailand?
Sure theres no "he said / she said - at least not on this site. The failures happened during testing with the press in Europe - not in the hands of owners. Kawi took the findings back to Japan and were able to reliably recreate the failures on the dyno - hence the recall and engineering fix. It's our understanding many of the components (major) are manufactured in Thailand however it 's also our understanding (which my be incorrect) that the bike is still assembled in Japan, but to what degree, I cannot say without confirming - I can find this out for you if you wish.
And yes - it is all as "bad" as has been claimed. All the bikes' sales were halted because of this flaw, and all the top ends are being rebuilt as a result. No rumor... all fact - and bigbore is correct .. about 11 bikes were delivered Stateside and immediately recalled. The remaining stock never made it to the public. As far as we know they caught this before anyone could have been bit by it, and apparently sufficiently (as only Kawasaki can - we have first hand experience with this  ) gagged the unlucky soles in the press core who unearthed the flaw so I suppose it will be a long day from now before we find out specifically who it happened to unless they want to "lose their ride" for telling the truth.
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Famous1
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posted January 15, 2011 09:25 AM
quote:
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On the 2011 ZX10R?
I've heard a bunch of bullshit being slung but have not actually heard of a case other than he said she said stuff.
If so where and when? What happened? I'd love to hear about actuall cases. I'm sure if it was as bad as :some canadian: claimed a private owner would have written about it on the good ol net.....right?
Also was this bike assembled in thailand?
Sure theres no "he said / she said - at least not on this site. The failures happened during testing with the press in Europe - not in the hands of owners. Kawi took the findings back to Japan and were able to reliably recreate the failures on the dyno - hence the recall and engineering fix. It's our understanding many of the components (major) are manufactured in Thailand however it 's also our understanding (which my be incorrect) that the bike is still assembled in Japan, but to what degree, I cannot say without confirming - I can find this out for you if you wish.
And yes - it is all as "bad" as has been claimed. All the bikes' sales were halted because of this flaw, and all the top ends are being rebuilt as a result. No rumor... all fact - and bigbore is correct .. about 11 bikes were delivered Stateside and immediately recalled. The remaining stock never made it to the public. As far as we know they caught this before anyone could have been bit by it, and apparently sufficiently (as only Kawasaki can - we have first hand experience with this ) gagged the unlucky soles in the press core who unearthed the flaw so I suppose it will be a long day from now before we find out specifically who it happened to unless they want to "lose their ride" for telling the truth.
i heard they gave the guy a spanking brand new 2011 zx-10 to keep him quiet....unrestricted of course...
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fish_antlers
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posted January 15, 2011 11:22 AM
Edited By: fish_antlers on 15 Jan 2011 19:25
Any moto journalist knows this easy to remember mantra - "Remember - tell the truth, lose your ride - it's the Kawi way"
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Element
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posted January 19, 2011 06:06 PM
I don't buy this last minute, "Houston, we have a problem" story.
Kawasaki said they had their production bike already "finished", before they even got a BMW to test as Acropolis, and therefore the Kawi was not trying to catch up with the BMW, etc. Remember that claim?
It implied this "2011" (really a delayed 2010, they would have us believe) ZX-10R has been in a production-ready state for a long ... looong time.
Particularly the engine, which would have been tested to within an inch of destruction countless times, especially the top-end! No, this is BS. This story that they suddenly discovered an unresolved problem with the valve train is unbelievable to me.
And now we are to accept that this bike, they are clearly and apparently rushing to finish, and deliver ASAP, was already finished for production much earlier? That some member of the press tweaked them to a hidden issue test riders did not discover?
Oh please! Do piss-off!
They weren't ready – simple as that.
I suspect (and it’s just a suspicion) that they 'delivered' pre-production bikes here, already knowing these would be immediately withdrawn, before more than a handful were sold, to provide the time necessary to deliver the real production bikes, whilst trying to make out they were just being thorough, to make sure the bike was the best it could be and the most reliable and durable.
I think they were under the gun to release it in late 2010 (for reasons I don't fully understand, perhaps a contractual requirement?), but they just weren't ready for the release.
This gave them the mechanism to comply with a late 2010 release deadline and to then also not comply.
The other possibility is that they realized they had to up the oomph to maintain US market sales interest.
The question I have is; if they are changing the top-end in some way, don’t they have to re-certify for emissions compliance?
And furthermore, how are they so sure they got it right now? Don’t they at least need to do a lengthy series of trials of the engine to make sure the solution is a reliable fix?
Well, not if you already did both of those things, and were just running late to deliver it.
Something is screwy with all this. It is probably not important to the buyer at all, but we are being given a spoon of BS here for sure.
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fish_antlers
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posted January 19, 2011 06:13 PM
Uh... Uh ....
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posted January 21, 2011 04:18 AM
Kawasaki could have easily just pushed the release date out the same way they did the original 2004 model! Pushed it so far out I bought a GSXR1000 instead of waiting until May 2004 for delivery. I think this was a genuine recall or oversight on the part of whoever made and assembled those parts even though they had PLENTY of time to get it right! Overall its a good stab at getting back in the fight for the top of the liter bike battle if that's the intent of Kawasaki. People seem to have forgotten about the agreement Suzuki and Kawasaki mad a few year back. I'm looking for something similar in electronics from Suzuki for 2012. Really wouldn't be surprised if its the same system Kawasaki is using on the 2011 ZX10R.
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