posted October 23, 2010 04:40 PM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 24 Oct 2010 00:42
quote:
It simply doesn't feel like a beast of a machine, like an 04 ZX10R does. My 2010 Z1000 is more of a handful to ride than this new ZX10R is, and I think that is the best part. It is so easy to ride fast! If you are looking for a sportbike to attack twisties or the track, you should seriously consider this new bike. If you are looking for your next drag bike keep looking.
posted October 23, 2010 04:55 PM
"maybe we all should race ninja 250's "
I don't get your point
"sounds like a $15,000.00 .. boring .. POS !!!!!!!!!"
If you can't afford one...
If your opinion is that riding a sportbike fast is boring....
If your opinion that this bike is a POS....
There are lots of different types of riders out there, or dealers would only have to stock the ninja 250. If you need to be scared to grab a handful, then this bike may not be for you. But then again, I don't know you, and you might be better off riding a first gen ZX12R around a racetrack or twisty road. That would be far from boring, and also far from the guy at the front on his new ZX10R.
posted October 23, 2010 05:04 PM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 24 Oct 2010 01:09
quote:
"sounds like a $15,000.00 .. boring .. POS !!!!!!!!!"
If you can't afford one...
If your opinion is that riding a sportbike fast is boring....
If your opinion that this bike is a POS....
.
yeah like driving a PRIUS .. IF I'M GOING TO SPEND 15,000.00 my new bike is gonna scare the shitt out of me .. with power not with gizmo's for brakes and traction control . but thanks you made my 05 zx10 worth more
____________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S06nIz4scvI
posted October 23, 2010 07:18 PM
Edited By: fish_antlers on 24 Oct 2010 03:21
So I'm ready to go on the record and state the video below is neither "independent" nor is it produced by "regular joes" as it claims - clearly based on the fact the Kawi has shit a brick over our REAL video which actually IS independent and WAS produced by regular joes, I call this video a fake. It's a shill. It's a weak attempt at viral marketing as outlined in their action plan.
If it was anything other than that, it would be in the Internet garbage can along with our independent video and any other free thought on the subject of this bike.
Our video lasted mere hours and logged 200 downloads before they pulled the pin - their real "independent" video has logged over 11,000 downloads and has been live for almost a week.
Enjoy the commercial in case you couldn't figure out it was one:
____________ What business is it of yours where I'm from, Friendo?
posted October 23, 2010 09:48 PM
So the 14 wasn't 'restricted'??!! This is nothing new. When the bike came out it took how long before the 'flies' were discussed.... and yanked due to this web site??!! It is not the first time that something bad was said about their final product. I am not sure why they did the things they did... and certainly can't say that they are wrong about how they set up the final product... but there is nothing that any of us are going to do about it. The fact that BEFORE the bike is released it is common knowledge that the bike is restricted shows that 'they' are not able to over-ride what is said about the bike.
My only guess is that they feel that the video you released, (that I did not get to see here) was negative. Obviously there are Pros and Cons in every review... but maybe they feel that it was a politically motivated negative video. It might appear to Bikeland that they are being unfair, but they might feel the same way about you. They got a bike to you 'early' (I am guessing) and obviously wanted to see what you had to say. If they feel that it was just going to be a narrow minded bashing of the bike, then they didn't want it released. How much did Suzuki pay the mags for good press. This is nothing new with motorcycle companies. I can't say I agree, but I don't think it is wrong to try to control the negative press with their product. On the other hand, I don't think that Bikeland should just fluff their pillow and only give the positive on the bike.
When the bike is officially released, you (Bikeland) can do and say anything that you want. Most of the people who are thinking of buying the bike will not make their decision from a video from Bikeland. You have raised your issues and you have done your job. I don't think that it is as big a deal as anyone is making of it. They are trying to protect their product from an internet web site review that they deem is unfair or negative and the web site is trying to state their case. In the end it doesn't matter for 'us' as we are not that foolish that we believe the hype... or the personal opinion of someone testing the bike for a web site. Thanks for your efforts Fish... but realize that people will decide on the bike regardless of what this site says.... or what Kawi says. When the bike is released it will either make it or fail on how it does its job. The general public will make or break it.
posted October 23, 2010 11:38 PM
3B3B, fyi the vid was unquestionably not negative. It was short and really didn't say a whole lot at all. I imagine it will go back up once the timeline has cleared and you can see for yourself. I know of no reason they would object to the vid, and it seems pointless when it will be on sale shortly anyway. I'm left wondering if they haven't been paid for first publishing rights by someone and they're just trying to protect that. The way this whole release was handled stinks (and I don't mean just for bikeland... for ALL media that signed the embargo agreement and respected it).
posted October 24, 2010 03:19 AM
This all sounds to me like a case of sour grapes.
Someone thought they were a big dog and found out they aren't.
get back to your roots, the site was a lot better back in the day.
____________
"It's 106 miles to Chicago, we've got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses......HIT IT!"
Blues Bros.
posted October 24, 2010 11:16 AM
Edited By: EastBayducmanic on 24 Oct 2010 22:02
Before we attempt to dismantle the 2011 ZX10R, I feel we need to dismantle Kawasaki Motors ghost corporation Verticalscope that they have assembled to crush the competition and run damage control for them while they try to buy up negative information that surrounds their products. As their Ad Agencies and PR firms spew grandiose lies and continuingly ridiculous false claims regarding their product line Kawasaki finds itself increasingly relying on fly by night PR and Ad Agencies to do their bidding for them as their old ally "Cycle World" finds it harder and harder to back up their false claims and lies. The 2011 ZX-10 = the 2001 ZX12R, another piece of Verticalscope shit. Think of the open ended liability the first time some kid looses it in the rain with the low power setting of traction control on. Come to labusas.org to get the real lowdown. The truth is not for sale. You can buy and sell lies but the truth comes out on it's own. Nice work on the 450 Kawasaki. Now there is a bike I would buy if I didn't already have a built KTM 525EXC. The best part?? It's made by Arians in Austria, not Japanese in Japan, and said Arians don't need to lie about their bikes virtues and try to control the media while making themselves look like a bunch of jackasses. Do you really think the 2011 ZX-10 is so advanced it merits your international espionage game while waiting for the worlds best private race teams and most advanced dyno's to show you what a piece of over controlled shit it really is? As if the average street rider, (Your target customer) needs nine levels of traction control.Wait until little Johnny's product liability attorneys get a hold of this case. They will own your ass. You guys (Kawasaki), come off like some kind of industrial mafia when in actuality you are nothing more than a very small fourth or fifth rate player in the world of Motorcycle Manufacturing.
____________
JUST LIKE duc's EX GF SAID, "HES IS NOT EVEN A MILLIONARE", but he only slaps his kittens on the ass and he just has stuff Fast enough to to do something stupid with.
posted October 24, 2010 12:29 PM
Edited By: fish_antlers on 24 Oct 2010 20:32
Let's connect the dots in this story to find out how we got where we are today.
A marketing company in Canada named Verticalscope began aquiring motorcycle forums a few years back. At the same time they purchased Motorcycle.com. Motorcycle.com's Sean Alexander then went to work directly for Kawasaki's marketing company.
Verticalscope then purchased (sometimes by force - ask Eastbayducmanic his experience with them) most enthusiast motorcycle websites. Their promise to the OEM's - keep it clean and safe - a nice, neutered Internet where scary information will be controlled and whisked away.
So today we find ourselves with fake "independent" information being hosted freely on sites like zx-10r.net and zxforums.com and kawiforums while information on Bikeland is censored by KMC by force.
What's the link? Why can information about the 10R be hosted freely by zxforums or zx-10r.net? Connect the dots cuz it's NOT a conspiracy - it's a FACT. Verrticalscope owns ZX-10R.net and ZXforums and kawiforums. They ALLOW Kawasaki approved material to exist there because their former employee works for Kawasaki in Marketing.
Dont believe me?
Follow this link to see what Verticalscope cleans up for you so you wont find out the truth:
These are facts. This isn't about money or sour grapes or anything other then Net Neutrality and the control of information so that YOU, the consumer can NOT make an educated purchasing decision.
Welcome to Internet 2.0 - It's finally here and now we are all fucked thanks to it.
____________ What business is it of yours where I'm from, Friendo?
posted October 24, 2010 01:43 PM
Bikeland and labusas.org were founded on freedom of speach. We brought out a lot of interesting facts about the industry as a whole and about the way companies do business. Then Verticalscope started buying up powersports related websites by threat and by intimidation and advertizing that"They and they alone could control the internet by removong and manipulating negative content before it bacame common knoweledge. When you own hundreads of websites you can control what is said about a given product or problem. Here is an answer I got from Rob Laidlaw, the worm that owns Verticascope when he tried to musscle me into selling him the LABUSAS.ORG Domain Name, Thank you for your reply.
> On 8/20/07 11:14 PM, "LABUSAS.ORG" wrote:
>
>> Dear Rob,
>>
>> I read your letter with interest, checked out your list of
>> acquisitions and wondered what your primary reason
>> for wanting to buy the labusas.org domain is.
>>
>> Let me put it this way. I'm in the entertainment industry and
>> know
>> the value of older domains that were founded during "the golden age
of
>> the
>> internet".
>> I have a fierce "brand recognition" associated with my LABUSAS.ORG
logo
>> and
>> related products.
>> If I were to consider selling the site I would expect to be
compensated
>> for
>> what it's worth to me. That would be probably more than you are
expecting
>> to
>> spend.
>> Let's just say were talking about "Millions of Dollars".
While I found your reply an interesting read, it certainly was not based in
reality. Your site is worth a multiple of earnings, and traffic, based upon
its current and reasonable future performance. We have bought over 25 sites
similar to LaBusas.
The interesting part is, that your brand is actually the trademark of the
Suzuki corporation and the use of "Busa" as an Internet forum site related
to the Hayabusa, would be considered to be a violation of their trademark,
and as such, they do have the power to shut you down at any time, or require
you to pay a licensing fee.
We are willing to make an offer somewhere in the range of 10 times your
annual earnings, or $0.10 per daily pageview to your website. As I'm sure
you will find, these are very common metrix used in everyday business to
valuate a business. We would expect this would amount to roughly $75,000 -
$100,000 for the acquisition.
$10 million for a website with no infrastructure, and just 10,000 members is
out of line.
If you are interested in something in the $75k - $100k range, please get
back to me.
Rob
So ROb as always please feel free to find another way to ply your underhanded trade without wasting my time, my members time and violating antitrust laws in the meantime.
____________
JUST LIKE duc's EX GF SAID, "HES IS NOT EVEN A MILLIONARE", but he only slaps his kittens on the ass and he just has stuff Fast enough to to do something stupid with.
posted October 24, 2010 02:12 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 24 Oct 2010 22:23
I don't see anything wrong with the above...I mean, millons for LaBusas? Do you really think that Suzuki could not attack the site if they wanted? Is it not true that LaBusas is earning money based on the Hayabusa brand name?
You may see this as blackmail...I see it as smart business...but maybe I am not getting your full message.
Is Bikeland or LaBusas worth millions to the owners? Even if yes...are the sites worth millions to any prospective buyer? I doubt it...I mean, what is the annual revenue potential for the private owners?
posted October 24, 2010 02:24 PM
Edited By: fish_antlers on 24 Oct 2010 22:26
Shane - stop being a dolt and look at the bigger picture and the mission statement of verticalscope in that email - or should I start running your info to find out what your affiliation to verticalscope is?
Several people are now asking.
____________ What business is it of yours where I'm from, Friendo?
posted October 24, 2010 02:29 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 24 Oct 2010 22:32
quote:Shane - stop being a dolt and look at the bigger picture and the mission statement of verticalscope in that email - or should I start running your info to find out what your affiliation to verticalscope is?
Several people are now asking.
That's hilarious...please run my info. It's nice to know that's the way you handle members who don't agree with you...I guess we have more to fear from you than from Kawasaki.
Yes, please take my confidential info and use it for your means.
Needs a life
Miles to go before I sleep....
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posted October 24, 2010 02:31 PM
...ya'might wanna ask this guy....
...anyway....this has been an interesting four page read.....
____________ “We sleep safe in our beds because rough men
stand ready in the night to visit violence on those
who would do us harm.”
-George Orwell
quote:Shane - stop being a dolt and look at the bigger picture and the mission statement of verticalscope in that email - or should I start running your info to find out what your affiliation to verticalscope is?
Several people are now asking.
That's hilarious...please run my info. It's nice to know that's the way you handle members who don't agree with you...I guess we have more to fear from you than from Kawasaki.
Yes, please take my confidential info and use it for your means.
posted October 24, 2010 03:27 PM
Edited By: fish_antlers on 24 Oct 2010 23:33
Shane, note that Bikeland continues to permit you the freedom to post here , even though almost ever single post of yours is somehow contrary and derogatory of this site and its membership. I wonder how long you'd last with your verticalscope pals with the same behavior.
Here's a warning for you - this is s serious topic and we will no longer tolerate your continual ego feeding topic derailing trolling.
This topic isn't about you - it's about net neutrality. Put a cork in it or we'll help you. You're as bad as salsa.
____________ What business is it of yours where I'm from, Friendo?
quote:Shane, note that Bikeland continues to permit you the freedom to post here , even though almost ever single post of yours is somehow contrary and derogatory of thus site and its membership. I wonder how long you'd last with your verticalscope pals with the same behavior.
Here's a warning for you - this is s serious topic and we will no longer tolerate your continual ego feeding topic derailing trolling.
This topic isn't about you - it's about net neutrality. Put a cork in it or we'll help you. You're as bad as salsa.
I invite everyone to read what I wrote in the page above...and your ensuing threats.
posted October 24, 2010 03:39 PM
Duc - thanks for having the balls to post this and out verticalscope for what they are - I know it's hard to stay on topic as a few people continually try to derail this thread so I hope what you have posted does not go unnoticed
quote:Bikeland and labusas.org were founded on freedom of speach. We brought out a lot of interesting facts about the industry as a whole and about the way companies do business. Then Verticalscope started buying up powersports related websites by threat and by intimidation and advertizing that"They and they alone could control the internet by removong and manipulating negative content before it bacame common knoweledge. When you own hundreads of websites you can control what is said about a given product or problem. Here is an answer I got from Rob Laidlaw, the worm that owns Verticascope when he tried to musscle me into selling him the LABUSAS.ORG Domain Name, Thank you for your reply.
> On 8/20/07 11:14 PM, "LABUSAS.ORG" wrote:
>
>> Dear Rob,
>>
>> I read your letter with interest, checked out your list of
>> acquisitions and wondered what your primary reason
>> for wanting to buy the labusas.org domain is.
>>
>> Let me put it this way. I'm in the entertainment industry and
>> know
>> the value of older domains that were founded during "the golden age
of
>> the
>> internet".
>> I have a fierce "brand recognition" associated with my LABUSAS.ORG
logo
>> and
>> related products.
>> If I were to consider selling the site I would expect to be
compensated
>> for
>> what it's worth to me. That would be probably more than you are
expecting
>> to
>> spend.
>> Let's just say were talking about "Millions of Dollars".
While I found your reply an interesting read, it certainly was not based in
reality. Your site is worth a multiple of earnings, and traffic, based upon
its current and reasonable future performance. We have bought over 25 sites
similar to LaBusas.
The interesting part is, that your brand is actually the trademark of the
Suzuki corporation and the use of "Busa" as an Internet forum site related
to the Hayabusa, would be considered to be a violation of their trademark,
and as such, they do have the power to shut you down at any time, or require
you to pay a licensing fee.
We are willing to make an offer somewhere in the range of 10 times your
annual earnings, or $0.10 per daily pageview to your website. As I'm sure
you will find, these are very common metrix used in everyday business to
valuate a business. We would expect this would amount to roughly $75,000 -
$100,000 for the acquisition.
$10 million for a website with no infrastructure, and just 10,000 members is
out of line.
If you are interested in something in the $75k - $100k range, please get
back to me.
Rob
So ROb as always please feel free to find another way to ply your underhanded trade without wasting my time, my members time and violating antitrust laws in the meantime.
____________ What business is it of yours where I'm from, Friendo?
posted October 24, 2010 03:54 PM
Edited By: fish_antlers on 24 Oct 2010 23:59
quote:
quote:Shane - I invite you to STOP trolling the site.
Last warning.
I'm not trolling. I simply don't agree with the message.
Shane - you're lying - you are trolling. Every single post of yours is contrary regardless of the topic and yes everyone here can see that without your invitation. You've used up your last warning. Your next reply better be on topic and about net neutrality or you can spend some quality time with your alter ego - salsa
____________ What business is it of yours where I'm from, Friendo?
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