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posted October 06, 2010 02:38 PM
 Edited By: fish_antlers on 7 Oct 2010 15:17
2011 ZX-10R HP #'s!!! HERE THEY ARE.....
you ready for this? non BS "hellforleather #'s"...
the real deal straight from Kawi...
US & Canadian model :
11,000@ rpm
176hp no ram air
185hp ram air
Euro model
13,000 @ rpm
197hp ram air
207hp ram air
Don't know if those #'s are SAE or STD - also can't tell if they are rear wheel ... but they are FAT!
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posted October 06, 2010 02:46 PM
Edited By: MJ on 6 Oct 2010 23:30
Why the 21hp lower and 2000rpm lower for the american and canadian model? WTF? Are we now being restricted? If thats the case, that california infection sure didn't take long to spread    
Still strong numbers though  We just deserve full power 
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posted October 06, 2010 02:48 PM
i havent been following the other threads.... why the hell a lower rev limit?
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posted October 06, 2010 03:03 PM
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Why the 21hp lower and 2000rpm lower for the american and canadian model? WTF? Are we now being restricted? If thats the case, that california infection sure didn't take long to spread
Still strong numbers though We just deserve full power
story:
http://www.bikeland.org/story.php?storyID=58187
thread:
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=19&TID=58187&set_time=
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posted October 06, 2010 04:22 PM
I am starting to wonder if they say that the red line is 11 but the rev limiter kicks in at 14. That would satisfy the Nazis and give us a bike that runs. There is nothing that says they can't put any red line number out there they want.
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posted October 06, 2010 04:23 PM
sorry ted - aint so.
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posted October 06, 2010 04:25 PM
Edited By: TedG on 7 Oct 2010 00:33
So you think the rev limiter will be at 12?
Those numbers are so important to sales of a liter bike. How do they expect to sell anything when the BMW's numbers are so much better? AND the price is super high on top of that. Something is fishy....pardon the pun.
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Shane661
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posted October 06, 2010 04:46 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 7 Oct 2010 00:50
quote:
you ready for this? non BS "hellforleather #'s"...
the real deal straight from Kawi...
US & Canadian model :
11,000 rpm redline
176hp no ram air
185hp ram air
Euro model
13,000 rpm redline
197hp ram air
207hp ram air
Don't know if those #'s are SAE or STD - also can't tell if they are rear wheel ... but they are FAT!
I doubt you have your "redline" #'s correct, Fish. Maybe that is where peak power comes, not redline.
This photo doesn't even show a 13k redline...much higher (assuming it is for Euro?). Also, no cutting edge 1000 has had an 11000 rpm redline in more than a decade. Please check your facts again....otherwise, well, you're getting thrown to the wolves if you are wrong... 
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posted October 06, 2010 06:15 PM
I've been thinking about the "restriction" issue a bit. There are no regulations capping power or speed potential in the US. I can only think of two federal (EPA) regs that might come into play here, emissions and noise. Further I'm familiar with the testing necessary to comply with these regs from when I worked on the Muzzy Raptor project and various exhaust noise issues. I had to study all the applicable federal regs pretty carefully to sell those 50 Raptors legally. I doubt it's an emissions issue. Most of those criteria are based on and addressed with the evaporative control systems. The exhaust emissions are pretty easily complied with and the test cycles do not focus on the high output areas, but mostly on the "normal driving" cycles. I'd be very surprised if this wasn't a noise issue, and it's not likely entirely an exhaust noise issue. Noise signatures are based on "total noise". This is exhaust, intake, and mechanical noise and believe it or not, the intake noise is very significant. Four valve engines with short inlet ports, velocity stacks and big ram air intakes make A LOT of noise at high RPM and high power outputs. Even the injectors firing make quite a noise. There is gear whine, chain noise, all sorts of noise coming off that thing. And then of course, there is the exhaust, which with a single muffler that can support 200 hp from 1 liter, has to be pretty free flowing (and, noisy).
If this is true, it doesn’t bother me much, especially if the “fix” is easily identified and available. I think the power available with the bike as shipped in the US is probably enough for 50% of the riders 50% of the time they’re riding. You may not be one of those for a variety of reasons, ranging from using the bike for actual racing, or like me, to just wanting the fastest thing you can get your hands on for no reason other than you want it.
So, buy the fix. Get the ECU and a pipe or whatever is takes. Make no mistake, I do HATE the idea of regulation, but I really don’t mind the idea of having more power available at my option if I choose it.
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posted October 06, 2010 06:29 PM
It will be fixed without much problem I suspect
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posted October 06, 2010 07:10 PM
21 hp wow ... Anyone else think 2000 rpm extra would make 21 HP ? Seems high to me .. I guess it's possible but 21 HP ? They must be retarding the timing as well as lowering the RPMs .. I guess the USA zx10 owners will be ordering EUO ECUs ...
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posted October 06, 2010 07:20 PM
This totally reeks of the whole STOP THE ZX12 FROM COMING OVER AND SODOMIZING THE BUSA.....QUICK....NEUTER IT.
God damn this shit.
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posted October 06, 2010 07:38 PM
quote:
quote:
you ready for this? non BS "hellforleather #'s"...
the real deal straight from Kawi...
US & Canadian model :
11,000 rpm redline
176hp no ram air
185hp ram air
Euro model
13,000 rpm redline
197hp ram air
207hp ram air
Don't know if those #'s are SAE or STD - also can't tell if they are rear wheel ... but they are FAT!
I doubt you have your "redline" #'s correct, Fish. Maybe that is where peak power comes, not redline.
This photo doesn't even show a 13k redline...much higher (assuming it is for Euro?). Also, no cutting edge 1000 has had an 11000 rpm redline in more than a decade. Please check your facts again....otherwise, well, you're getting thrown to the wolves if you are wrong...
Shane
Well Shane we all know how true the tach reading really is on a zx14 .. You think the zx10 will be any better ? If the zx14 tach is off by 600 RPMs at red line the zx10 could also be off that much or more ..
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posted October 06, 2010 07:47 PM
85x11000/5252=178
81x13000/5252=201
It could easily happen.
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posted October 06, 2010 08:24 PM
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How do they expect to sell anything when the BMW's numbers are so much better? AND the price is super high on top of that. Something is fishy....pardon the pun.
word on the street is that the BMW does NOT conform to EPA stds and that there is a bunch of legal bs coming down the pipe because of this. This story is far from over
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posted October 07, 2010 05:25 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 7 Oct 2010 13:31
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Well Shane we all know how true the tach reading really is on a zx14 .. You think the zx10 will be any better ? If the zx14 tach is off by 600 RPMs at red line the zx10 could also be off that much or more ..
These tachs typically spin past true redline, not lower. At least that is the case with all of bikes in my garage...Busa, 12, 14, GSXR, etc.
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posted October 07, 2010 05:25 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 7 Oct 2010 13:27
Here is what it says on the Canadian site:
PERFORMANCE
Maximum Power 131.7 kW {179.1 PS} / 11,000 rpm
Maximum Power with Ram Air 138.3 kW {188.0 PS} / 11,000 rpm
Maximum Torque 112 N.m {11.4 kgf.m} / 11,000 rpm
That makes no mention of the redline. It is where peak power occurs, just as I suspected.
So, again, where does it say this bike redlines at 11k...or 13k for that matter?
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posted October 07, 2010 05:42 AM
Hell my old ZRX spins up past 11,000 rpms!
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posted October 07, 2010 06:02 AM
This may very well be an understatement by Kawi, just to make it easier to get through any loopholes in the states.
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posted October 07, 2010 07:19 AM
shane - it's not a big deal - it's a typo in the info they gave us - regardless whether it's an 11,000 rpm redline or max power at 11,000 rpm the US /can model is limited electronically in its RPM and it makes less power so it's a bit of a moot point.
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posted October 07, 2010 07:24 AM
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shane - it's not a big deal - it's a typo in the info they gave us - regardless whether it's an 11,000 rpm redline or max power at 11,000 rpm the US /can model is limited electronically in its RPM and it makes less power so it's a bit of a moot point.
I would say that it is a big deal if you claim the bike has an 11k rpm redline when it doesn't, but that's just me. 
We all know the power is going to be limited, but an 11k rpm redline sounded a little strange. Glad to hear that it is not the case. 
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posted October 07, 2010 07:30 AM
WTF? Seriously? A rpm limiter and 22 horses down. I thought we were the land of the free?
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posted October 07, 2010 07:31 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 7 Oct 2010 15:37
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WTF? Seriously? A rpm limiter and 22 horses down. I thought we were the land of the free?
All of the bikes are electronically rpm limited, including the 14. What we are talking about is how much the rpm has been limited compared to the overseas model, which is what we don't know yet.
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posted October 07, 2010 07:35 AM
it's 2000 rpm - euro site vs can/ us spec site - 13,000 rpm vs 11,000 rpm.
what difference does that make? what if it was 1890 rpm difference or 2003 rpm difference? seriously - that's just internet armchair quarterbacking. the restriction is a fact and that's what matters. on top of that (correct me if I'm wrong) we want all the rpm and hp so how much they restrict it has no bearing on the fact that we want all of our zx-10r and we want it now.
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posted October 07, 2010 07:39 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 7 Oct 2010 15:44
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it's 2000 rpm - euro site vs can/ us spec site - 13,000 rpm vs 11,000 rpm.
what difference does that make? what if it was 1890 rpm difference or 2003 rpm difference? seriously - that's just internet armchair quarterbacking. the restriction is a fact and that's what matters. on top of that (correct me if I'm wrong) we want all the rpm and hp so how much they restrict it has no bearing on the fact that we want all of our zx-10r and we want it now.
WTF are you talking about Fish?? It's 2000 rpm difference in where the bike makes it's peak power...not a 2000 rpm difference in redline.
Saying the bike has a 2000 rpm low redline when it doesn't...that is your game, not mine. Wonder why you didn't get that 10R exclusive?
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