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posted October 12, 2008 03:35 PM
the 08 10r is a freak
Eventually people on this forum will get tired of me exclaiming the awesomeness of the 08 10r but holy crap batman! Had a great couple of days. The michelins are fantastic. Havnt spun a tire yet on corner exits. Remember I owned an 05. The 05 is a wicked bike but man, today I was cracking through the gears wide open and its hard to stay on the bike, the front tire skims the ground in all the gears and any little bump sends the front skyward. I was ripping through 3rd and 4th and the thought in my head was "I am barely hanging on". The front was waggling over the small bumps as the bike was accelerating and I was having trouble shifting as I was sliding back in the seat, I was going to get my butt back as I was gassin but with the bike doing its dance of godawefulpower I was having trouble with it. Of course as my butt slid back the front got lighter.......which made it wilder, when I finally had enough as a hill was coming up and I wasnt sure what was on the other side I let up, glanced down at 256 in 4th and it had been still pulling like it was in second. So far I havnt had the chance to open it up on the highway in everygear, and the bike is too wild for wide open on the backroads I never had this problem with the 05. Of course the 05 wheelied like a dirt bike, any rpm. it did not have the crazy high speed rush the 08 has. I used to put the hammer down on the 05 all the time, backroads, highway, especailly passing, mostly wheelies passing as anyone who owns an 05 will attest "Better have it lined up in the driection you want to go before pulling the trigger" and the rest you steer with body english as the front is in the air. But the 08 is pulling so hard, its hard to stay seated and steer, even gripping with your legs as hard as u can ....hehehehehe. I sure Love my new bike!! Cant wait for next year to spend more time in the saddle. I only had the bike 5 weeks and have 5000km on it. The only complaint I have with the bike is whomever designed the crappy seat hasnt ever driven a bike more than 1/2 hour. I know the bike is for track and not for distance riding, but what if the 14 is not your cup of tea? the 06 saddle is sweet, why the huge change? The 05 is like butter. The edges of the seat almost make you lame. I rode saturday 9 hours and the only thing to hurt was where the inside sharp edges of the seat cut into your inner thigh. I find the riding position is comfortable, I have been looking for an aftermarket seat but so far havnt had any luck. Might have to get it redone local. Anyone hear of a seat for the 08? My friend says not to get a corbin as they make the front stick up and it makes it hard to get tight to the tank in corners. Too bad the 05 seat would not fit. Could ride all day on that one.
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posted October 14, 2008 05:25 PM
glad you're lovin' that sweet bike!
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posted October 16, 2008 03:43 PM
I wonder if the gearing on the 08 makes it feel stronger than the 05?
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posted October 16, 2008 06:08 PM
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I wonder if the gearing on the 08 makes it feel stronger than the 05?
It's not faster.... In fact it's slower......
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posted October 17, 2008 02:07 AM
Too funny gunner. Maybe it is slower as I dont have an 05 to race around here. It was slower until I put on the akrapovic, power comander and BMC filter. The midrange was the big deal, now its fixed. 5000rpm half throttle and it wheelies. Just like the 05. But it still has that mad out of control rush after 8000rpm. Maybe it is seat of the pants, but the 05 was never like this one and I rode it hard. Either its the stiffer suspension that makes it feel like its crazy I am not sure. I am 6ft 230lb as well unsuited. I work out. when I got my bike I was thinking 600cc power under 8000rpm. I could pin it and really there was no kaboom. Well i read about the power increase the akrapovic was supposed to give the bike and said it wouldnt hurt. Well what it did was give me the 05 back, plus the 08's madness after 8000. I cant imagine how the bike would be with a lighter rider. Last weekend its was spinning in second as it was wheeling. Maybe the bike is slower, but the fun factor is super high now. The last magazine test that had all the bikes doing top end runs, the 08 beat them all. 0-300 beats the 1400 by 2 seconds and the new busa by 1 second. Thats not with me riding it of course. Stock. So if its slower the magazines arnt saying so. Its the midrange that was sluggish, now its not. I just know I am having a hell of a time pinning the throttle in places I could on the 05.
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posted October 17, 2008 04:07 PM
OK let me clear this up.... Local dealers service manager has an 08... AK pipe, Kawi race cam, Thin head gasket with a milled head. Power commander, Yada, yada..... Zach Millholland riding the 08.... Chad Millholland on his 04.... Both are considered TOP NOTCH RIDERS as many on htis site will tell you and both 140 pounds soaking wet..... The 04 ripped the 08's guts out 10 out of 10 times. I was there and watched.... I then raced the 04 with my 05 and both bikes ran neck and neck 10 out of 10 times.... So it appears the 08 isn't faster in a strait line anyway. AND corners are 100% rider when we talk street so it's not faster there in this case either. BUT on the race track in race trim the 08 does seem to be a faster bike.. And I do like the looks of the 08 ALOT !! The 08 is a very nice bike.. Although not a better street bike than the 04 and 05... Remember a street bike and a race bike are two different animals... The short coming of the 05 on the race track (road racing) don't show up on the street... You can't push that hard on the street to show them... The explosive power of the 05 that made corner exits on the track suck make a great street bike..... I like both bikes BUT if I were going to race one on the track the 08 would clearly be my pick.... For the street I still pick the 04 / 05....
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posted October 18, 2008 03:02 AM
True, the 05 was more comfortable for street riding. And it did have low end explosive power. I can see where drag racing would not be the 08's cup of tea. The 05 has midrange without the aftermarket parts. Adding them would increase what it already has. I have fixed the midrange problem with those naughty bits, but it has only brought the bike to where the 05 already was. After 8000 though its mad. My 05 only had a slip on so if we were comparing apples to apples I am sure the 05 would have been a handful due to its explosive nature. But saying that, I still shake my head at how outofcontrol the bike feels after 8000 and the 05, though wild, wasnt like this. I never had to ever back off from wide open. So when the bike is dancing on the pave at over 200 and hardly touching the ground to steer all I can do is share the madness and tell you about it. The riding position isnt a whole lot different then the 05, its the seat thats not well thought out. The 05 was 2nd gear power wheely and third skimming the ground but 4th would sit down and I could steer the bike. The 08 4th is still skimming the ground. when I glanced down at 256km(Thats when I was backing off) the bike had finished a stint of the front not touching the ground. It could be the stiffer suspension, it could be all the power is after 8000 so that lower end torque is saved for the last. The fun factor was very high on the 05. I Loved my bike. But on the 08 i really have to prepare and pick my places I want to gas it. Just cant feel like hammering it and do it like I used to. cant steer the bike with the front not on the ground. Going to take awhile to get used to the difference in the bikes for sure. I like that I cant control the bike wide open. The 05 somedays I would think "Thats it?" after a few wide open straights and some hard cornering. Now I have to be careful. Just letting everyine know that there is a difference in the bikes, it all depends on how you like your potatoes.
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posted October 18, 2008 04:21 AM
Both great bikes,,,,,, Did I mention I think the 09 Green is one SEXY BITCH !!!
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posted October 18, 2008 05:51 AM
The green is awesome no doubt!
Lovin the black though. Had a customer ask me the other day, "So you traded your wife in for a race bike?" (divorced) and I said "Yup! And no one gets to ride this one but me!" (She was a slut) Well took a few seconds for the joke to settle in and everyone burst out laughing! (Small town, everyone knows) Hehehe Best trade I ever did!
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posted October 18, 2008 09:59 AM
I heard that....... Mine to.... Funny how only the names change but the story stays the same... Enjoy your new bitch 
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posted October 18, 2008 11:59 AM
No back talk, does what you ask, no complaining, even helps you meet new girls and doesnt get jealous. Cost less too. If I could only figure out how to strap fun bags on the tank.......
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posted October 19, 2008 08:07 AM
The 06-07 models will rip anyone of there guts out in a straight away/straight line !!! Been proven by all of the magazines !!!! Furthermore, ask Sal of Ace Performance....
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posted October 19, 2008 08:22 AM
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The 06-07 models will rip anyone of there guts out in a straight away/straight line !!! Been proven by all of the magazines !!!! Furthermore, ask Sal of Ace Performance....
Get a Life...... Everyone in the free world knows of Deisel's Black 06 that Sal worked on..... 1 bike out of 1000's that don't run for shit means nothing... ( Not to diminish Sals efforts either) That bike runs because Sal is a top notch tuner / rider / Engine package designer / builder.... Notice the thread here in this forum about the cylinder head for an 05.. Sal is one of only two cylinder head guys that I recommend.... There's a reason for that.... And for your own personal knowledge Sal likes the Aero package better on the 06 / 07 verses the 04 / 05 not so much because the motor is better.. Also for your own schooling purposes Chad Millholland has been over 200 several times at Maxton on both non stock and STOCK motored 04...10R's .... YOU REALLY NEED TO GET OUT MORE OFTEN if you are going to spout off about shit that clearly I know more about... I will call your hand and shut you down every time....
Again I happen to live in the Hot Bed of Sportbikes.. Right dead in the middle of Deals Gap land... Anytime you feel the need for a vacation to ride your 06 / 07 and would like to school me on my 05 I'm certain that I can always use more education... Please feel free to PM me for contact information and I'll be there in class eager and ready to be schooled...
The 04 /05, 10R will go down in history as a motorcycle that raised the bar to a level never seen before. There's a reason people like Kerry Bryant of Area P exhaust are keeping their 04 / 05 model 10s.. and it's not because they can't afford another bike either... And before you spout off about that guy you may feel the need to do some homework . I'm quite certain he can school you..
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posted October 19, 2008 10:07 AM
since I started this thread I have some input on the 06 :o) My daughter owned one and schooled me plenty. Not because the 06 was faster, She rode like the wind and under wieghed me by 100lbs. I would have had to have turbos. I rode her bike, It did not fit well, squatted under acceleration and the fun factor wasnt as much as the 05. The dealer had to test my exup valve as it wasnt working well and the owner (06 bike) and the mechanic on my bike did side by side roll ons starting at 3000, No shifting just each gear, start in second roll on, slow down shift to third and do the same. The riders were the same weight. The 05 out pulled the 06 in every run they did. When they got back the dealer was upset he let his last 05 go. He said he should have kept last bike. Both bikes had slip ons and there were no shifting mistakes to be made. Just raw exceleration. In a side by side drag race with 2 05s and an 06 with my big ass on my bike there was no one making ground. The other guys were lighter than I was. I personnally love all the 10rs, they represent wild craziness one wants in a 1000. I know in every one is a sleeping dragon and that is awesome just to see. But in saying the 06s-07s beat 05's is not true. I have the experience. Raced one and the dealer was shamed. Of course if my daughter was riding? well, everyone should just leave thier bikes home. :o) She has no fear and faster than everyone.
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posted October 19, 2008 12:51 PM
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posted October 19, 2008 01:00 PM
Back to the thread at hand....... Even Kawasaki are embarrassed about the 06 / 07 bike.. It was in a word GUTLESS.. Never seen a fast one yet.. Seen some impressive dyno numbers BUT all where slow in real world racing.. The bike our friend mentioned above that ACE performance did was without question a very fast bike.. But again if he knew all the details AND I DO know them. Sal tested that bike EVERY DAMN DAY nearly for months and made literally 100s of changes to it. It had no stone left unturned and I give Sal and his company my highest respect for what he did.. BUT, that bike is the exception to the rule not the rule.. And as far as the magazines go.............Shit they'll say Harley is the fastest if enough money is tossed at them..
The 08 / 09 10R is the real deal just as the 04 / 05 was and is.. I think most of us Kawasaki purest and loyalist would just as soon forget the 06 / 07 models.. And top that off with they were FAT lookin as well.... NO FAT CHICKS OR BIKES is the rule
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posted October 19, 2008 03:33 PM
My kid is 24 now, she has modeled in some leather magazines. We used to do side by side wheelies down the highway second gear. She would not pass the local guys as she was afraid they wouldnt ride with her anymore, also she said if she did they might crash trying to keep up. :o) She told them I ride way faster than they do so I got the Crazyman nickname. They never rode with me as I ride mostly alone, Only time I rode with them I passed the two fastest guys in the same corner. They were not happy campers when we stopped, one fellow kept bitching "No one has ever passed me!" I felt sorry for the little baby. Hehe. I am not the fastest, but I practice alot and I am faster than them. My friend has schooled me a few times till I practiced enough to give it back as good as I was getting it. Well my kid is surely as fast as I am and way faster on straight sections. I wasnt impressed with the bulkiness of her biike but she liked it. The seat was lower so easier to ride for a girl. :o)
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posted October 26, 2008 08:30 AM
well i go to the strip every week. and have a 07 10. if you think thay are so slow lets set some thing up. i am in nc and well travel if the $$$$ is right. and the bike looks close. if thay ever make a lock up for the 06 7. you well see the 04 5's dry up at the drag strip.
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posted November 01, 2008 03:11 AM
I think its abit off topic. We all own kawasaki's because they make stupid power and in some cases scary power. All the new 10's are whiskers of each other in HP and Torque and a lot of times its the rider knowing his bike well enough to get all he can out of it. The 06-07 would be fast on a drag strip. they have more torque. 5 more ft pounds stock if my reading is correct. Its only my personal experience that makes me not enjoy the bike as much as the 05. When you cracked the 05 its was a life changing experience. When I cracked the 06 of my daughters the back would sit down and when wheelying it would be squatting same time as it was lifting. That felt very odd as I was not used to that. The throttle was more predictable and the power came on uniformly, not madness no crapping in my pants. I bet the bike was fast though. My daughter liked my 05 better becuase she liked how wild it was but like the look of her bike better. I think suspension and frame make a lot of differnce in how seat of the pants feels. No doubt the 06-07 is fast and probably on a drag strip would beat the 08 but not on a track. Once the bike gets over 8000 seeya. The 08 feels like my 05 seating but does turn better. It does not squat under acceleration so the wheelies are fun to do. Seat of the pants the 08 feels faster than my 05 after 8000 and when I cant get the front to sit down to steer even at 250kph then even if it isnt faster the ride is freak.
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posted November 01, 2008 03:50 AM
I wanted to add this comparison from the MCN website.
The 04-05 Kawasaki ZX-10R was as extreme as they come and could be lethal in inexperienced hands.
Kawasaki tamed the beast slightly for 06-07, but that's relatively speaking- the second incarnation was still tarmac-blisteringly fast. We're talking about a bike capable of third gear power wheelies.
The 2008 ZX-10R is essentially more of the same adrenaline-soaked lunacy, but despite being even quicker than the previous model it's actually easier to ride, making it a brutal piece of kit in the right hands.
This makes my point and Gunners.
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posted November 16, 2008 08:09 AM
I would put my 06' up against another 10R. Maybe I have a "ringer" w/ 170 at the rear wheel, I don't know. With the EXCELLENT ero's and Ram it has an advantage Dyno's do not show
Properly set up (suspention and brakes) and Tuned ( I installed a GI Pro to fully de-restrict) this 06' is no joke.....................!!
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posted November 17, 2008 06:16 AM
Edited By: salsa1 on 17 Nov 2008 16:12
Be hard to find ZX-10R any year that is leaving the owners wanting...or feeling they have a slower 10r....bet the differences come down to rider ..mods yes..but all things equal about a tenth of a sec difference all out on a straight line would seperate one from another....
Only way to tell whos got the quicker or faster specimen is to race them side by side...
But I don't recall any other than the 2008 ZX-10R outperforming the ZX-14 or Busa from 100-180 mph...there is documented proof of that....awesome I still say...
lets face it they are "all" about kicking butt....
have fun witrh it...just don't kill yourself in the process...
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posted November 18, 2008 01:56 PM
There is no doubt the 06 was a powerful bike, my daughter trying to wheely at 80mph sometimes would only light the tire up. I would be wheelying and I could hear her bike spinning. Too funny. The 06 was a smooth cornering bike and is very powerful but we are talking balls out scary power. The 05 would be balls out all the time. You had to always manage the throttle or pay the price. I rode the 06 and it is fast, but was smooth and did not have the craziness the 05 brings. Might be faster in many situations but you arent screaming in you helmet and then laughing all at the same time. My 05 would power wheely through second and the front would sit down at around 10000rpm and a few feet later come right back up. I rode both bikes back to back. Even my daughter who loved her 06 liked the 05 better because it felt untamed. Well all the bikes are fast no doubt but the point is what makes your balls say ok thats enough. The 05 can do that all the time, the 06 never made me do that once. The 08 does it now the same as the 05 did to me but has that freakish afterburner kick after 8000 that makes me happy as hell I bought it. I dont miss my 05 anymore. The 08 looks like its mad and everyone that comes into my shop all go to the bike and love it. Not one person has said anything about the lights or the turn signals even when I point it out 10 out of 10 like it. Photographs make the bike look less than it does I am very happy about the oooo's and AHHH'S I am getting when customers go look at it. Now that the bike is mad I am happy. I would have let my daughter drive it stock, not scary, but no way now. The fun thing about owning a kawasaki from any year. You never read in any test about any other 1000 being scary. Yamaha, suzuki, honda. All fast bikes, all powerful but no one writes scary power about any of them. You get predictable, controllable, comfortable. Well thats nice, but I would like a rocket. I dont do track days as the nearest track is too far and there are no track days there anyway. So when I crack the throttle I dont need predictable, controllable easy to ride, I want HOLY @#$^%&% THIS BIKE IS A FREAK!!!! I like it, it scares me, case closed. :o)
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posted November 19, 2008 02:16 AM
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I would put my 06' up against another 10R. Maybe I have a "ringer" w/ 170 at the rear wheel, I don't know. With the EXCELLENT ero's and Ram it has an advantage Dyno's do not show
Properly set up (suspention and brakes) and Tuned ( I installed a GI Pro to fully de-restrict) this 06' is no joke.....................!!
170 is a bit optimistic if completely stock and that is a fact. I did put my 04 up against an 06 with the excellent aeros and came away the winner, but i also did the same to another 04 that very day so perhaps i managed a strong 04.
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posted November 19, 2008 05:48 PM
Why would anybody like a bike that is unpredictable??? Wouldnt you want a predictable bike that makes you confident so you can go faster without worries?
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