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posted November 19, 2008 07:19 PM
 Edited By: salsa1 on 20 Nov 2008 03:20
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Why would anybody like a bike that is unpredictable??? Wouldnt you want a predictable bike that makes you confident so you can go faster without worries?
No... 
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posted November 20, 2008 03:03 AM
Ahhhhhh grasshopper(sam), you miss the point. You must not own a ninja 1000. They are famous for ripping your face off power. The 08 has it and so does the others. If you want to be unafraid, have aplush ride, nothing to tame then you should get another type of machine. The ninjas have the best motors. I am confident on my bike, or power wheelies at 250kph wouldnt be happening. I wouldnt have the balls to do it. I am talking straightaway wide opens on not perfectly smooth roads. Did I ever write unpredictable one time? I predict the bike will make me grin at wide open and it does. If I want the bike to settle down for corners then I modify my throttle. It turns wicked. What I like is if I want to turn it into a beast, I can, with my wrist. Only those that own 1000 ninjas know what that feels like.
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Sam Cheng
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posted November 20, 2008 07:35 AM
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So when I crack the throttle I dont need predictable, controllable easy to ride, I want HOLY @#$^%&% THIS BIKE IS A FREAK!!!! I like it, it scares me, case closed. :o)
It came straight out of the horses mouth. Whats your screen name over on zx10r.net? BTW i own a 2nd gen. You know the slow one
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posted November 20, 2008 08:54 AM
Edited By: salsa1 on 20 Nov 2008 17:23
I will say that track times and poise is prolly better for a rider on the smoother 06 but that does "not" translate to more "fun"...as in "on the streets" where most of us ride....
if you buy the bike for track times buy a Yamaha.... 
For more fun...guess which one?
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posted November 20, 2008 09:32 AM
I am sure the tamer yamaha is a wicked tool on the track, as it turns well and is nice to look at. No surprises on corner exits as it does not have the power output of the kawi so is easier to ride fast. The original intent of the thread was to let people who did not know what the 08 was like a perspective from one who owned both years, 05 and 08 and rode an 06 to give a seat of the pants comparison. i buy kawasaki as I find the challenges with reigning in all that power, fun and dangerous at the same time. I dont over ride, I dont go over my skill limits. I like the 10r makes gobs of power. I like it spins in second at 5000 rpm with my big butt in the saddle. I havnt ridden a yamaha 1000 and I havnt read anything from anyone that tells about its wicked power. Yamaha is a great bike. Kawaski rules the power. The tread is about power and how much can you handle? Not which is tamer for track days. 600's make great track bikes as well, higher corner speeds, tons of fun. Not straight line scary, wheelies all over. The 10r is. My choice, untamed.
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posted November 20, 2008 10:50 AM
i could care less for the yamaha on all counts..
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posted November 20, 2008 01:30 PM
hey Sam, I am not a member of zx10r.net yet. :o) Sorry for dissin your bike. Its not slow. Its very fast. My daughter kicked my butt plenty of times and I was on my 05. But there is a difference in how the power comes on, have you had a chance to ride an 05 or an 08? Only way to tell the difference is to get on one. My daughter owned an o6 and liked the 05 better. It would have been dangerous to ride the 05 for any length of time wth her body weight. The 06 has softer suspension and squatted under acceleration compared to the 05 and 08 that lifts under acceleration. Her bike turned very well though, stable. I was fast on her bike right away as it was settled, harder to wheelie. It was easy to tell how much was too much almost immediatly. I have a poster behind my desk with her on her bike. I like the look of her bike for sure. All black. I enjoy challenges and get bored easy if something isnt exciting or a bit scary. Keeps me in check for sure. The 06 is glassy smooth. I did not like the feeling of the wheelies as it squatted as it wheelied. I liked that it cornered well though. The 08 gives that same confidence cornering but different on exits and straight aways. It also comes with a bang and yes I did say unpredictable in a way, my bad. :o) I still think my daughter would school me on her 06 with me on the 08. But then again she was as fast as I on her boyfriends 900 ninja as I was on my 12r so I suped it up. Made all the difference. When she owned her 636 she would pass her boyfriend on his 900. All the Ninjas are fast. But as a personnal preference I would either have another 05 or 08 model.
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posted November 20, 2008 05:53 PM
Edited By: Sam Cheng on 21 Nov 2008 04:31
Its all good dragon... I just get a kick out of it when people say theyre ninja is faster! I wasnt aware that manufactures made theyre bikes faster one year and then slowed them down the next couple years. :0) Theyre all fast and close in power. Bikes usually go up 4-5 hp every generation but their weights change as well.
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posted April 08, 2009 12:10 AM
The 06-07 models are faster and alot stronger than the 04-05 models...All you have to do is go to Ivans Performance Products website and he has all of the Dyno's for each models including the 08 models as well. The 06 made more power and has alot better spread of power and a flatter torque curve than the 04-05 models. The 06-07 models made more horsepower than the 04-05 and more torque than 08-09 models which tells you it has more nut in it and it's horses are alot stronger than the rest of the other models.....I've ridden all three of them and this is my conclusion....But all in all they all are very fast and powerful Ninja's as far as i'm concerned....And that little bit of extra horsepower, torque, and 5-6 pounds lighter or heavier give or take it all comes down to the rider.....Just my .2 cents
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posted April 08, 2009 01:09 PM
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The 06-07 models are faster and alot stronger than the 04-05 models...All you have to do is go to Ivans Performance Products website and he has all of the Dyno's for each models including the 08 models as well. The 06 made more power and has alot better spread of power and a flatter torque curve than the 04-05 models. The 06-07 models made more horsepower than the 04-05 and more torque than 08-09 models which tells you it has more nut in it and it's horses are alot stronger than the rest of the other models.....I've ridden all three of them and this is my conclusion....But all in all they all are very fast and powerful Ninja's as far as i'm concerned....And that little bit of extra horsepower, torque, and 5-6 pounds lighter or heavier give or take it all comes down to the rider.....Just my .2 cents
Ohhhhhhh i'm afraid they are not my good fellow, and to say alot stronger than the 04,5 is a false statement far and away. Every performance outfit has dyno info for all of them and frankly there's nary a diff of 1-2peak HP except for the 08,9 which is the strongest/quickest to date.
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posted April 11, 2009 04:28 AM
Went for the first ride yesterday. I forgot how powerful my bike is. It was a little cool out so I was careful with the throttle. I found some friends to ride with on the trip home. 2 harleys, an 05 honda cbr 1000 and a suzuki 1000 2003. I was riding in back and noticed one the side bag on one of the harleys was loose so I pulled up alongside beeped the horn and pointed. I pulled over with him to make certain he was going to be ok. Once he fixed it and we pulled away I decided I needed to catch up to the others. As I was going through the gears there was a left hander on the highway and the bike was accelerating so fast I was thinking jesus, this thing is quick! I went past the other harley rider who had also pulled over ahead in third and I was not quite full throttle leaning into the turn, it was a gradual left hander but the bike was pulling so hard I wasnt sure if more throttle would break the back tire loose. I did catch up to the other sports bikes. When passing cars I found my bike would catch them pretty easy, not certain if they were wide open or not, I never asked as when we got back the traffic seperated us. They were all scrunched under thier windscreens and I was sitting up normal and I find the wind protection good. Better than the 05 for sure. Of course the double bubble windscreen I got for the 05 fixed that problem anyway. I havn't looked into one for the 08 yet. To me compared to my 05. My 08 has more beans up top than the 05. The 05 has more beans in the middle and down low but up top the 08 rocks! My 05 never intimidated me ripping through the gears but my 08 does. Plenty of times I was wide open on the 05 and I could count on one hand how many times I took the 08 wide open on the same road. If the 08 isnt faster than it certainly FEELS faster. I like the challenge of having to learn the new power. Makes riding the same roads more fun. The 05 never power wheelied in 4th and the 08 does. AND THAT makes some serious grins.
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posted April 14, 2009 08:20 PM
The 06-07 zx10 is kinda like the zx14. Don't make a judgement until you remove the FLIES!!!!!!!! Remove the FLIES and you will say GOT DAMN THIS THING MOVES!!!!!!!!!
Much more down low power just waiting to be released.
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posted May 03, 2009 09:53 PM
BullFuckingshit -- been there and done that. No gains from pulling the flies on the '06. Show me a dyno chart the shows big gains...just one...if you've done the flies out on it and dynoed the bike, you must have a graph to prove what you said. I did my '05 and my bud's '06. Nothing gained, even after tuning on the Dyno with a PCIII except for up over 5K...and that had nothing to do with the flies. Your seat of the pants thing is flawed...you want to believe it did something, but it doesn't do much at all.
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posted May 04, 2009 02:01 AM
Just a heads up on riding two up on the 08 10r. Almost impossible to keep the front tire down even accelerating medium. If you baby it no problems. Passing a car in third gear 6000 rpms and the front tire came up. Wasnt trying. Later I was accelerating in first and the bike started to wheelie so I let off set the front down put more gas on and it came up again. So I shifted to second around 8000 and just rolled the gas on easy. My daughter was on back and a very experienced rider as well. I discovered if you wind the bike out close to the redline and then shift the bike will stay planted. When we got back from the short trip my daughter who used to own an 06 10r said my bike was "Rediculous!" Told her now she knows why I wont let her ride it. She may be fine but she has no fear and the bike is "rediculous". Lovin it. For those who havn't tried 2 up I am just letting you know to be careful. I have had my daughter on my 05 10 before and never power wheelied like that. It would wheelie in first but not second or third. She said she had never been on the back of a bike that fast before, and she has been on suzuki's and hondas 1000s. Makes me pretty happy to hear that from her. Of course now she wants one. She started saving the minute we got back, told me she was planning her finances. :o) Bike crazy like her dad.
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posted May 06, 2009 03:36 PM
Update Quote from My little weekend project:
"Update on the 08zx10r.
Its new nick name is Nasty Bastard.
After about 8 updates on the maps, and much hooliganism the thing flat hauls.
It doesn't pick up on the top end like the big bike, but very very close.
Between 100 and 250 KM/hr I out ran a zx14 with tsugi 4-1. about 2-3 bike lengths.
If it had a lower 1st gear and less wheelie tendency it would be a little rocket.
its a spooky little bike, corners like its connected to your brain, but damn spooky at top speeds.
I had it up to 290 corrected in 5th gear and it burries 300 with another 1000 rpm left in 6th, and yes it pulls redline in 6th gear!
It will pull the tire off the ground at about 8000 rpm in fourth sometimes...LOL
I call it spooky cause i was on it hard in 5th and about 250 km/hr the front came up off a small rise in the road, and it gave me 1 wag on the bars when it touched... the crosswinds carried it a little sideways...its so light in the frt end.
he picked up the bike yesterday, and came back stating its damn spooky and will take a little getting used to.
I would never feel comfortable riding that bike at the mondo speeds I enjoy so much on the 14.
The fuel tank is quite small too, the range is quite restricted if your into it hard.
I am still trying to figure out why its runs rough between 2500 and 6000 rpm.
I tried leaning it out and richening it up , with and without the throttle plates, and did not have much luck.
Maybe someone on here has gone through the same dilema.
It bucks like the fuel or spark is intemitant, at steady throttle positions, of 5 to 30 pecent, between 2500 and 6000 rpm. Only at steady throttle positions, if you wack it takes off like a scarred rabbit.
The bike has Ivans servo motor eliminator, bazzaz with zfm, and a speedo healer, in addition to the pipe. "
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posted May 07, 2009 02:20 AM
I couldn't have said it better dubious. Spooky. Thats what the bike does, small rises, little bumps in the road, front tire comes up. Have to always watch how hard you are gassing it. I had my 08 to 290 in 5th as well and the tach said 12,200 or so, just over 12,000, not corrected though. Still pulling like mad. My 05 would give up around 260, still would gain just slowly. The 08 hauls ass. I am not having any trouble with the throttle at 2500 to 6000rpm's. Nothing unusual.
Spooky....:o)
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posted May 12, 2009 11:30 PM
Gunner> don't compare tuned bikes.Compare stock ones. 08 smokes 04. Thats a proven fact.
And when you go into tunning world, then its different story.
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posted June 08, 2009 01:31 AM
Went for a rip yesterday with all the local sportbikers. R1's from different years, couple cbr1000s, a new one as well, various other 600's, 1400 ninja etc. Well the verdict is in after tearing up a few turns with the 10r. The bike is fast. Left them all for dirt. The guys on the cbr 1000 were all lighter than I by 60-70 pounds and the 10r tromped them, even on straight line acceleration. When we got into to turns the bike is super stable. Where the 05 would move about and make the turn a challenge the 08 killed them. So I could put the hammer down earlier. When we got to the end of the road. I stopped an waited for them all to catch up. The closest cbr was about a minute. The next was an R1 about another minute after that. Well they all went to my bike and said the bike was rediculous. I had passed the last cbr1000 in the line in 4th, on the back tire power wheelying. I am very proud of my bike. Now that I have ridden with other bikes its not just in my head that the bike is fast. I wasnt sure before because I always ride alone. When you can leave other 1000's like they are 600's? well I didnt have to think about it anymore. The 08 10r Rocks! Sure its a wild ride, some corner exits hard on the gas made the front wheelie but it never made me worry, i never backed off and the bike would sit the front down no waggles, well nothing that would make you go Hmmmmm. Not like the R1 that did a wheelie then almost put it in the ditch with front head shake after he sat it down. The 10r will cross its head a bit as when you shift the front tire will leave the ground but never wiggles too much, it reacts as I think it will. Great bike! HUGE difference from the 05 when it comes to cornering and mad acceleration. Maybe on the dragstrip the 05 has it based on what other members say, but if the road was longer the 08 would pass the 05. Has it on turns and flat out.
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posted June 17, 2009 05:53 PM
dragon rider, rider skills didn't factor at all in your above test huh? riders were exact equals?
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posted June 18, 2009 01:58 AM
Hey Steve, I wont say I am a better rider because that would be for someone else to say. I do know that the 08 corners FAR better than my 05. The only way I knew my bike was fast was when I would look at the speedo on exit turns and couldnt believe the corner speeds I was carrying, effortlessly. When I was with the group. I could catch and leave any time I wanted. We had a mini drag race at the end of the trip. 2 cbr1000s and I and I caught the fellow in front and left the fellow in back behind. We were all flat out. I was expecting them to pass me or walk away from me from the experiences I had with my daughter on her 10r. She could pass me like she had turbos, She underweighed me by 100 lbs. So with these guys on thier bikes, the guy behind me underweighed me by 95lbs. He weighed 140 so he should have been able to keep up, or pass me at least. I was waiting for him to go by but I started catching the front bike by 4th gear. We started in second, he left first and I couldnt let him get to far ahead so I tucked under and did my best to catch him, well it surprised me I did as I started after him. And when I looked in the mirror I was quite aways ahead of the guy in back. Even for short sprints when the guys would tuck in for short bursts(a couple of gears) I could catch any of them. We are not talking HUGE differences in straight line speeds as I would catch them or pull away but by few bike lengths at a time, I can only imagine how fast my daughter could pull away with her riding it. The surprise comes with my weight and experiences from the 05. The 05 was fast but not that fast with me on it because my daughter could leave me for dirt. I think with me on the 08 and her on her 06 I could keep up, not sure If I would be faster or not as she does not have that bike anymore. All I have to base my decisions on are I know my exit speeds on corners are at least 30-40 mph faster as thats the only time I can check the speedo and i could catch the bikes and pass when I wanted. And to me thats awesome! I never would have tried those cbrs on the 05, i am sure they would have made the bike look slow even though it was only me slowing it down. But to compete with the 08 and be faster! Well I had to share. Not putting the other bikes down as they are all fast as hell, but the 08 is bloody fast.
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