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posted February 24, 2008 01:39 PM
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World Superbike: where WAS KAWASAKI?
World Superbike race 1 and 2 in qatar:
WAS KAWASAKI EVEN THERE????
Race 1 - 18 Laps
Pos. Rider Manu. Nat. Total Time
1 Troy Bayliss Ducati AUS 36'11.468
2 Max Biaggi Ducati ITA 0'0.396
3 Troy Corser Yamaha AUS 0'1.878
4 Ruben Xaus Ducati ESP 0'4.487
5 Max Neukirchner Suzuki GER 0'7.505
6 Carlos Checa Honda ESP 0'9.639
7 Fonsi Nieto Suzuki ESP 0'9.725
8 Yukio Kagayama Suzuki JPN 0'19.537
9 Michel Fabrizio Ducati ITA 0'23.156
10 Jakub Smrz Ducati CZE 0'24.429
Race 2 - 18 Laps
Pos. Rider Manu. Nat. Total Time
1 Fonsi Nieto Suzuki ESP 36'12.963
2 Ruben Xaus Ducati ESP 0'0.301
3 Max Biaggi Ducati ITA 0'1.321
4 Troy Bayliss Ducati AUS 0'6.452
5 Michel Fabrizio Ducati ITA 0'7.627
6 Lorenzo Lanzi Ducati ITA 0'9.117
7 Troy Corser Yamaha AUS 0'10.806
8 Max Neukirchner Suzuki GER 0'11.661
9 Jakub Smrz Ducati CZE 0'13.269
10 Kenan Sofuoglu Honda TUR 0'14.563
Losail, Qatar Circuit. Courtesy Yamaha Racing
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posted February 24, 2008 03:16 PM
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Steve ........................................ Try not living thru the life of others 
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posted February 24, 2008 04:07 PM
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I understand you wish to deflect the topic at hand - I'm good with my own life, wouldn't want it any different! I'm having way too much fun to live it through others. Anyway-
Back on topic, where was team Kawasaki? I didn't expect a response in this forum, but I do suspect the ZX10 will do better going forward.
Ducati dominated MotoGP last year, now they are stomping on the litre bike class..... their sales for '07 through the roof....I never thought I'd see the day!
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posted February 24, 2008 04:09 PM
WoW talk about World Superbike being the best class to watch!!! I loved it...I want a Ducati now 
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posted February 24, 2008 04:21 PM
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WoW talk about World Superbike being the best class to watch!!! I loved it...I want a Ducati now
+1
The Duc is certainly appealing. Just as I talked my self out of a 1098 for this year Ducati rolls out the 848 and offer it in white. As far as superbike goes I suspect it'll out-handle and out-perform the 1098 in everything except a straight line and I have my eye on one.
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posted February 24, 2008 11:50 PM
yeah Steve Kawi has dropped the ball this year with rider choice I think. Because you can't tell me that the factory supported PSG team can be out performed by the customer Pederchini Kawi team... who in turn buy their bikes prepared from PSG. Tamada and Laconi are over the hill for sure.
Keep in mind tho that throughout qualifying the Ten Kate Hondas (that team kicks ass) with shit hot riders barely got more that 2 places ahead of the kawis hey! So both the 08 n00b bikes aren't kicking ass out the box.
Checa did a great job in race one to get that high up but then was nowhere in race 2 and Sofuoglu I thought would be fast straight out the box... but wasn't very impressive. Mind you, I think that both Kawi and Honda are running 'almost' straight out of the box bikes. Ten Kate I know do this everytime they get a new bike... they start at a point with an almost stock bike, then develop the shit out of it from their. I think Kawi is doing the same. Although Kawi are handicapped with older riders that have lost that youthful spark and enthusiasm!!!
Yami and suzuki have got such well developed bikes at the mo but look how they even struggled in the race with tyres. They're having to push so friggen hard that they just ruin their tyres by half way!!! I think the Dukes hold a bit on an advantage in that they less restricted but with higher weight and they don't seem to use their tyres up as much. Maybe cos they are vtwins, I don't know... but I think the rules will be adjusted as the races progress to try keep the field even.
Qatar is a terrible track, if you've ever tried to play it on Playstation or PC you'll know what I mean. All the turns look the same and there is no character to the track. I think that the guys who are going to be influencial in the championship this year did not perform well there. The championship this year will go to either Bayliss, Haga or Checa even. But I think Bayliss.
Ten Kate is such a good team hey and they are so good at building a kick ass race bike. I don't think that PSG can compete with them. Sad I know., maybe next season with better riders too. This is PSG's first year being factory supported so time will tell.
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posted February 25, 2008 04:52 AM
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Steve> WHERE WAS HONDA???? 
With its Super handling , brakes and weight transfer LOL
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posted February 25, 2008 05:45 AM
easy folks, the honda and the kaw are new platforms.....they will develop... the duc is a beast down low but that damn suzuki is a rocket.. he pulled damn near 5 bikes on the duc between the final turn and the finish line at the end of race 2...... gonna be tough to beat..
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posted February 25, 2008 06:00 AM
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Steve> WHERE WAS HONDA????
With its Super handling , brakes and weight transfer LOL
Honda placed in the top 10 and WAY ahead of Kawasaki (did I predict that would happen in '08???)
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posted February 25, 2008 07:09 AM
No steve actually you didn't... you clearly said that we don't want to compare race bikes or modded bikes... ONLY STOCK BIKES.
We all know that team and riders make more difference than the bikes. I mean come on!!! last year Toseland won the championship on an 'inferior' CBR1000 RR ... how is this possible??? Ten Kate make incredible race bikes... better than PSG ever could... so don't come with this blade STOMPING on the zx10 crap again please.
This is racing and the best TEAM wins...
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posted February 25, 2008 09:19 AM
As much as I want to write off the underperformance of the Kawasaki as a "TEAM" or rider phemonena, I think there is some merit in Steve's argument.
Suzuki was able to get their K7 and K8 platforms up to speed in a hurry. This latest iteration of the ZX10 has me baffled. Even factoring in the time required to develop a full on racebike, you have to admit that if there was anything gained from the ground up redraw of the 10 as a racing platform, it's incremental at best. They're certainly not going to leapfrog and dominate the competition a la Ducati in motogp.
I am impressed but not surprised by Nieto's win. It was really unfortunate that Kawasaki couldn't hang onto him. He clearly has the ability to win, but I think the Kawasaki he was on last year just wasn't good enough.
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posted February 25, 2008 10:36 AM
Honda brought out a brand new litre bike to the superbike event to. And the announcers noted Honda's good performance and decent finish for an untested bike.
Kawasaki held every last place position - and is now ranked last 5 in the superbike standings.
I have never doubted the Kawasaki as the king of the straight line, but have long suspected we shouldn't expect much as far as a superbike.
I do bet team Kawasaki will improve performance with the ZX10 going forward, but for you ultra-brand loyal closeminded folks.....don't say i didn't tell you so!
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posted February 25, 2008 05:12 PM
I am sure everyone here appreciates you searching for and posting every supposed flaw of the new 10R. On any other 10R site you would be labeled a troll....which you are. You just happen to be a moderator here, as well.
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posted February 25, 2008 05:34 PM
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Honda brought out a brand new litre bike to the superbike event to. And the announcers noted Honda's good performance and decent finish for an untested bike.
Kawasaki held every last place position - and is now ranked last 5 in the superbike standings.
I have never doubted the Kawasaki as the king of the straight line, but have long suspected we shouldn't expect much as far as a superbike.
I do bet team Kawasaki will improve performance with the ZX10 going forward, but for you ultra-brand loyal closeminded folks.....don't say i didn't tell you so!
Steve if that Honda had a DICK you would be hanging off the END OF IT! Talk about close minded and foolish... Why is it EVERYONE HERE sees you as CLOSE MINDED and yet you spew those phrases around like a Fluffer on OVERTIME spews cum? Hmmmmmm? WHY ???
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posted February 25, 2008 06:51 PM
gunner.. keep it clean or take it to the smackhouse please and thanks!
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posted February 25, 2008 06:58 PM
Ok Both Kawi and Honda sucked balls this weekend!!! but if you look at it this way they are both privateer teams so yeah. and you guys that think Ducati is a new team well there not. they ran in the supersport class all year last year but still impressive but damn that GSXR is FAST!!!! thats the bike to beat i think
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posted February 25, 2008 07:15 PM
6th place or last... Honda and Kawi were losers this weekend... 
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posted February 25, 2008 07:50 PM
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6th place or last... Honda and Kawi were losers this weekend...
Honda at least placed on the untested redesigned Blade (kawi placed last all races) - lets look at prior year Superbike champions and see if you notice any team "missing"
World Superbike Champions 1988-2005
1988 Fred Merkel, Honda
1989 Fred Merkel, Honda
1990 Raymond Roche, Ducati
1991 Doug Polen, Ducati
1992 Doug Polen, Ducati
1993 Scott Russell, Kawasaki
1994 Carl Fogarty, Ducati
1995 Carl Fogarty, Ducati
1996 Troy Corser, Ducati
1997 John Kocinski, Honda
1998 Carl Fogarty, Ducati
1999 Carl Fogarty, Ducati
2000 Colin Edwards Honda
2001 Troy Bayliss, Ducati
2002 Colin Edwards, Honda
2003 Neil Hodgson, Ducati
2004 James Toseland, Ducati
2005 Troy Corser, Suzuki
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posted February 25, 2008 07:51 PM
and Gunner, I could care less about Honda. Matter of fact I have my eye on an 848 as my next bike.
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posted February 25, 2008 07:57 PM
848 is cool but all the stuff thats good a 1098 they took off for the 848 and yes even the paint job
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posted February 25, 2008 07:58 PM
Edited By: GUNNER on 25 Feb 2008 20:43
Steve my LOCAL UT Vols are also the NUMBER 1 ranked team in Basket Ball... BUT who cares? Really who cares? Do you see me beating the Tom Tom Drums about that CRAP? It's really a Pretty BIG DEAL, but it don't make me any money or provide me any personal fun so I take it or leave it.. You get far tooooooo wound up about all this crap that don't matter... My OLD OUT DATED 05 10R will still get the job done on the street... It's a piss poor race bike at that level you speak of, BUT a FREAKIN unbeatable STREET BIKE in the hands of a good rider. It's all perspective Steve...
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posted February 25, 2008 08:31 PM
I never said the Zx10 is piss poor, and my old ZX9R is the bike I've liked better than any brand/model thats been in the stable.
Nor do I take this anymore serious, but each year I do like to see who is on top regarding performance and sales numbers. Between you and I, I've been wondering which brand would finally dethrone the gixxer, its been on top for so long now regarding the out of box litre bikes.
And by the way, there'll be another ZX10 in my future too.
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posted February 26, 2008 02:43 AM
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Steve> WHERE WAS HONDA????
With its Super handling , brakes and weight transfer LOL
Honda placed in the top 10 and WAY ahead of Kawasaki (did I predict that would happen in '08???)
In the top 10, at the BOTTOM.
Kawasaki in the top 15.
Wow, what a HUGE difference
Honda was the most ugly bike on the track.
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posted February 26, 2008 07:52 AM
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Steve my LOCAL UT Vols are also the NUMBER 1 ranked team in Basket Ball... BUT who cares? Really who cares? Do you see me beating the Tom Tom Drums about that CRAP? It's really a Pretty BIG DEAL, but it don't make me any money or provide me any personal fun so I take it or leave it.. You get far tooooooo wound up about all this crap that don't matter... My OLD OUT DATED 05 10R will still get the job done on the street... It's a piss poor race bike at that level you speak of, BUT a FREAKIN unbeatable STREET BIKE in the hands of a good rider. It's all perspective Steve...
actually the '04 10R will beat your 10R, gunner.
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posted February 26, 2008 12:06 PM
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Steve my LOCAL UT Vols are also the NUMBER 1 ranked team in Basket Ball... BUT who cares? Really who cares? Do you see me beating the Tom Tom Drums about that CRAP? It's really a Pretty BIG DEAL, but it don't make me any money or provide me any personal fun so I take it or leave it.. You get far tooooooo wound up about all this crap that don't matter... My OLD OUT DATED 05 10R will still get the job done on the street... It's a piss poor race bike at that level you speak of, BUT a FREAKIN unbeatable STREET BIKE in the hands of a good rider. It's all perspective Steve...
actually the '04 10R will beat your 10R, gunner.
My GSXR will beat both of your bikes....... lol
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